Polycarp I forgot that I meant to comment on your comment about me in an earlier post of yours. I’m referrring to your statement about me tending to “jump in with a ‘me too’” type of attitude when posting sometimes.
I see nothing wrong with this. I can’t always get across well what I’m trying to say so if I see someone else saying something I agree with, what’s wrong with my adding my agreement? Other people do the same.
Given the tone the thread in GD where you had last posted (remember that one? the one about gay teens that kept getting hijacked?) took, I thought perhaps you were stepping out of the kitchen, so to speak.
However, I can’t help but be amused that you are telling me that this isn’t the only board on the net given the number of times I’ve said that exact thing on this board, and given the countless references we’ve had to, among others (in no particular order):
Internet Infidels
Round Table
stormfront
LBMB
TMF
OSS
Pizza Parlor
FFF
Unaboard
Snopes
Darwin Awards
SAAN
Customerssuck
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Game/gaming sites (such as a civ3 board and a fantasy baseball board.)
His, absolutely there’s nothing wrong with registering agreement with what someone else said; I’ve done it myself any number of times. What I was saying was that (a) you were contributing thoughtful stuff to quite a number of PP discussions and (b) unfortunately, instead of doing this, you would sometimes simply state agreement with somebody else, effectively adding little or nothing to the discussion except an endorsement of another person’s perspective. (In short, it was intended as a compliment on your expressing yourself over on PP, tempered with a regret that sometimes you don’t add anything substantive. But it was in no way intended as criticism!)
Yes, I can imagine how finding a tactful and soft-spoken way to say “You’re engaged in abominable acts and out to corrupt the moral fiber of American youth” could be a bit tricky! :rolleyes:
Seriously, you’re welcome to hold any opinion about gay sex that you want to, and about my stance as a Christian that you want to. But I was under the impression that you were interested in loving the sinner while hating the sin, insofar as that’s a possible tightrope to walk. The website Dr Chuckie is apparently webmaster of is full of lies about gay people and their organizations. Do not take my word for this, or discount it – read some of what that website says, then go to the PFLAG and GLSEN and HRC websites and read what they say. Do a Google search for presumably objective articles that don’t just paraphrase a press release from one side or the other. Prove to yourself that he’s breaking the Third and Ninth Commandments.
You’re asking His4Ever to Think4Herself?
That’s pretty rich, Poly. The poor woman is so brainwashed that her mind smells like a summer breeze. She’s no more capable of accepting a new concept than I am of hopping over the Washington Monument, and less likely to try.
It’s nice that you think that everyone’s redeemable, but I’ve come to the conclusion that there are some people that can’t actually change. All you can do is make sure that when they spout their insane drivel, that you respond with facts and reason, so that another poor soul won’t catch their bizarre brand of insanity.
Fortunately, there are enough reasonable, compassionate people on the planet who are intent on disseminating facts about gay people, as opposed to hysterical propagandistic lies, that her generation will be the last to think that this sort of attitude is in any way acceptable. There will be a few die hards, who will be treated with the kind of scorn and disgust that the KKK and the neo-nazis arouse today, but society will move past their little roadblock long since.
And H4E… “dearie”? I’m laughing myself into convulsions here. Could you be any more like the creepy witch from the Bugs Bunny cartoons?
Have a nice obsolescence, you hateful harridan.
Poly, I’ve told her the same thing about Jack Chick in regards to Catholicism-she STILL won’t listen.
It’s SAD. 
H4E and DrC, what do we say to Gay Christians? How do we quantify their devotion to God in relation to their homosexuality? Which takes precedence? I went to DrChuckie’s site and saw horrible things. His treatment of Gay Christians, his treatment of Gay Ministers. Ministers! They believe and seek the truth of Christ as the rest of us do, and he rejects them. How can this be love?
How can any of this be seen as love?
Poly: I see zero evidence from H4E that she’s thoughtful or concerned with others. Her comment to me about both me and my church are the best proof that (a) she doesn’t think or research and (b) she’s out to condemn other people.
Her comment about this board not being a curative and also not being the only board on the net proves something else: Guin (or maybe Dianne) was right when she described H4E’s motives. She wants to be seen as a martyr.
You know, I thought my ears were burning…
Esprix
(long post ahead. Get some coffee)
Okay. As we’ve established here, there, and everywhere(;)), you have issues with expressing yourself well. I can’t and won’t speak for anyone else here, but I know I’ve personally made the offer to you previous to now to have a look at what you’re saying and suggest ways of making it more in tune with what you believe, since you’ve indicated here and elsewhere that there can be a difference between His4everthought and His4everpost.
And one thing that continues to piss me off, and probably anyone else who’s made a sort of offer along these lines, is that you CONTINUE to say “I’m not very good at this” and CONTINUE to post anyway instead of saying “Hey, person who volunteered to help me, could you do so?” Do you enjoy people flaying you for your ill-worded, ill-founded opinions? Do you like playing the role of the “misunderstood” Christian? When you post in a thread and you get that sinking feeling in your throat, that “oh, man … now someone’s going to come in and flame me” feeling … do you like that?
If you do, by all means keep on making Polycarp, Tris, Jodi, tomndebb, RTFirefly, et al.'s jobs harder. Really. I’m sure they love, after the collective decades of work they’ve done drawing people who were so spurned by capital H (Hypocrite) Christians back into God’s arms … heep on pushing them back out under the ruse that “I’m just spreading God’s Truth”.
You’re not. We keep on saying you’re not. I’ve told you more times than I care to count that you’re doing exactly the opposite, and I know for a bloody fact I’m not the only one.
You are pushing people away from God.
Does seeing it in bold, all alone by itself and unavoidable make it easier to understand? This thing you call love? I call it being so anal about random rules that you miss the ENTIRE POINT OF CHRISTIANITY!
LOVE
It isn’t “Oh, you shouldn’t have sex with him because you’re a guy too”
It isn’t “Your lifestyle is going to land you in Hell”
It is “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your mind and all your soul … and love your neighbor as yourself.”
Maybe I’ve (along with Poly et al.) been reading the abridged version all these years … you know, the one that says “but not them fucking faggots. They’re going to burn for their sodomite lifestyles.”
::takes a break for a few seconds to calm himself down::
I hope you’ll forgive me for my anger, but it seems like this is the hundredth time I’ve posted this and I have yet to see more than random, cursory improvement.
There is nothing explicity wrong with lots of “me too” posts. However, when, for example, you’re asked a question and you say “I don’t know”, and then someone comes along and offers an explanation and you say “thanks, you put it better than I could”, that’s … well, at best it’s a little less than the truth. At worst it’s a mortal sin, because you’ve just knowingly lied to someone, and it took long enough to write that you had time to reflect upon what you did.
If you were "me too"ing in, say, MPSIMS about your favorite color, or your favorite movie, or who got snubbed in the NCAA basketball selection process, that’d be fine. Well, it’d be a lot less annoying than your current practice.
Saying “me too” in a religious discussion (especially given the topic) is like saying “me too” in a philosophy debate or a political discussion … especially when you yourself have said that you’re not sure what you believe and you don’t always know why and you can’t support your assertions … is not always a wise thing. And when the topic is something as intensely personal (and sometimes painful) as sexuality, and you just toss in a “me too” to an already inflammatory and unsupported position, it speaks to a lack of respect for everyone else in the discussion. I don’t recall ever saying “me too” in a discussion like that (but that’s more because it was never applicable;)). If you’re going to bother to enter one, you really owe it to everyone involved to be as eloquent and clear as you can. If nothing else it saves the confusion of “do you really think that, or did the thought-to-post process hit a bump in the road?”
You have trouble with that. So you’ve said. So ask for help. I might not (;)) be your favorite person, but I’d be perfectly willing to help you flesh out your ideas/beliefs. I won’t even hit you that hard if you start throwing scripture at me;)
But hey, don’t take my word for it. Think for yourself. That means not “ask your pastor what that means”, not “ask your husband, because as a man he knows more”, not “find a bible verse that justifies your actions, no matter how convoluted you have to read it for it to apply”, not “decide you just can’t figure it out and go back to condemning people without God’s permission”. That means use the brain God gave a peanut and decide whether you want to be a “martyr” or a servant of God. You’re not serving him right now.
Lastly, a thought, and one with which I know you’ve been confronted:
How loving would you consider it if someone knew lots of things about you, or very few, and simply refused to ignore/get past the fact that you’ve been divorced? If that was the only thing they could focus on? If that one thing, to them, was as bad as being a rapist or a con man or a pedophile, etc.? Because that’s pretty well what you’ve put forth in the (not too distant) past. And it hurts.
And it’s not loving. It’s not God’s love, it’s your opinion. It’s not helpful, it’s painful.
And as long as you continue on this anti-gay, “my personal religious system is the only one that is valid, and I simply won’t accept anything else” path, the only love you’ll be spreading is love of Satan, because you’re doing his work, not God’s.
Please lock me away
And don’t allow the gays
Here inside
Where I hide
In my horniness.
I don’t care what they say, I won’t stay
In a world without sodomy!
If gay people aren’t in heaven, how fabulous can it be?
When I have more time, I will go and check out further the website of DrChuckie. Perhaps I will find it is harsher than it should be. If I find I agree with it, I certainly won’t come and tell you. My stance on this issue will never be the same as you and those on this board. They may call me hateful or whatever name they deem feasable in their eyes. God has revealed no other truth to me on this subject than what I’ve already seen in His word. However, I do appreciate you not getting involved in the name calling. You know, from being at the PP board, that I’m not the only person who holds my view. I wonder, in the long, run, who is really being hateful here? (not you, Polycarp.)
As usual, any website I post of course supporting my view isn’t legitimate but anything all of you post is to be taken for truth on the whole issue, always. Sorry, don’t see it that way. Bye for now.
In Christ,
His4ever
Self-crucifixions still don’t count as actual martyrdom, right? Just checking. His4ever has a tendency to stick those nails in her mouth to hold while she climbs at just about any provocation.
Personally, except for the small contingent that insists on trying to pass legislation to maintain second-class citizenship for gays and lesbians, I couldn’t possibly care less what people who believe in a god I wouldn’t worship even if I did believe in its existence think about my affectional orientation.
:Snip:
** iampunha**-Good post! I thought the above was especially important and deserved a second look.
me too
Sometimes it’s hard to tell whether someone is deliberately misinterpreting someone else, unintentionally misinterpreting them, or just not expressing themselves clearly.
Polycarp wasn’t asking you whether you found the Web site harsher than it should be, he was asking you to evaluate whether it bears false witness against its neighbors and takes the name of the Lord in vain.
The first one isn’t a value judgement: either the site is full of slanderous lies, or it isn’t. I’m curious as to your evaluation of this purely factual issue: looking at the site, do you believe that its authors bear false witness against their neighbors?
Please don’t pretend that I’m asking you whether the site is sufficiently cuddly and friendly. That ain’t the question.
Daniel
Do you honestly see no qualitative difference between the way that you hold/present your own position and the way that others hold/present theirs?.
An honest observation - I really am not trying to be nasty - You don’t appear to be prepared to consider anything with an open mind; the same cannot be said for at least some of those who argue opposing views to you.
Is that a fair comment? Please say so if you feel that I am doing you a great injustice.
What is it exactly I’m supposed to have an open mind about? You’re forgetting that I’m a conservative Christian who believes the Bible is the word of God. So you’re correct and not doing me an injustice in that I don’t have an open mind about homosexuality and many other things. As I said God hasn’t shown me the truth you believe you have about it. I read the passages over and over and can still come to no other conclusion. If you choose to consider me to be close minded as a result, that’s your privilege. I’m afraid Polycarp’s lengthy diatribes about it and his explanations that explain these scriptures away don’t move me, as much as I may like him. I know you’ll say “but other Christians believe and read the same scriptures and come to a different conclusion about it.” Well, that’s them. I have to go by what I see when I read it and what the Spirit of the Lord reveals to me. As has been said, this is a never ending debate. As I stated on the PP board, everyone should agree to drop the subject for 6 months at least. There’s lots of other topics. And of course, you’re going to say, “no one invited you in to this thread, you didn’t have to come,etc.” That’s true, but I wanted to and did.
In Christ,
His4ever
for what reason?
Seems we’ve been here before, but never quite managed to determine how and why you are able to be so sure that you are right, but hang on…
**Could you expand on that a little? Exactly how does this work? Are you sure that it is God speaking to you? How sure? Exactly what does he say and how?
Who, me?