Great way to make assumptions on your part. My main source of news is the BBC, TV and online, followed by Google News, the London Evening Standard, and then the Sunday Times. Only the last one could be considered right-wing, and it’s more establishment than actually rightist.
I don’t view the Democratic Party as centre-right. I think they’re centre-left and have many “progressive” ideas that are pretty good. But they need to pick the best ideas and try to get those through, and also pay for them properly. And also don’t try to disguise a $3 trillion legislative bill as a $2 trillion legislative bill by lying that half the programs would only be funded for 2-4 years.
As for the "LGBTQ+ " reference in the Democratic platform, that’s a sliver reference that matters to the left wing and almost nobody else. Slate.com, back when I read it, couldn’t even decide what the Q stood for. They also debated which of the approximately 150 forms of transgenderism actually should fall under the “T”, although they didn’t want to exclude anyone lest they be triggered. I still don’t know what the “+” means, and I doubt most of middle America does. I’d love for someone to ask Joe Biden what the “+” stands for and see him have no idea what the questioner was asking about. It’s not about equal rights. It’s about the Democratic Party pandering to left-wing special interest groups using language almost nobody cares about.
It means every human being has a right to be who they are and love who they want without being oppressed or discriminated against because of it. Why is the Right so violently opposed to this idea is the real question.
Great. That means banning it won’t hurt anyone. So let the Republicans ban owning unicorns, cloning dinosaurs, and teaching Critical Race Theory. Since no one wants to realistically accomplish any of those, Democrats can just sit back and laugh as the Republicans pass ridiculous meaningless laws that won’t harm anyone. Anything wrong with that?
Well CRT isn’t what they are trying to ban, its banning any teacher at all talking about racism or slavery or anything other than the myth that America is a perfect country and everyone has always been happy to be here. They want to force teachers to teach their version of American History using CRT as the cudgel to do so.
You do realise I was intentionally trying to present a reference from a conservative viewpoint, correct? The HuffPo article posted by GIGOBuster contained opinions from black educators who are liberal proponents of CRT. Tell you what, you state that their opinions are worthless because of their political leanings and bias, and I’ll find a different, more-balanced source for a conservative viewpoint.
Not “violently opposed”. Just thinking that this is a sliver issue that shouldn’t really be a concern of government when there are much bigger issues to worry about, and that it’s an issue that society should sort out on its own rather than have it dictated by government. The Democratic Party apparently wants “+” people to be protected by the US Department of Labor. Have they bothered to explain in some legislative paper what a “+” person is? Because otherwise, they’re using a “right-on!” left wing term to kowtow to their left wing, rather than having a serious intent. The problem is that once they start trying to appease a radical element, they’ll find that that radical elements demands are ever increasing, rather thsn being appeased.
No, the issue was discussed extensively above, but the short version is they don’t want their children to be told that they’re automatically racist because they’re white.
I think you can find out what you want to find out if you really wanted to know.
Everyone deserves to have the same protections from our government, no matter your sexual identity or gender. Nobody deserves to be discriminated against because of who they are. These are not complicated ideas. The problem is that bigots do not want to accept that they can’t bully gay people anymore.
Since it apparently wasn’t clear to you: the boogieman claimed by the left is that they aren’t advocating the teaching of CRT in public schools. It’s apparently right-wing fiction that they want CRT to be taught. Is it fiction, or isn’t it? If it’s fiction, then what’s the objection to banning something that doesn’t exist?
The bills that they are trying to pass are not simply “ban CRT”. They specify very particular things that they want to ban teachers from speaking about. You need to actually read these bills. You are being misled that this is all being overblown by people on the left.
Do they? I thought progressive dogma was there are ‘protected’ groups that get special protections from government. That includes gay and trans people. Here in Canada, you get punished for certain actions against ‘protected’ groups than you do against others.
So which is it? Because if everyone should be treated equally under the law, we need to do away woth race-based admissions at public universities, for starters.
My impression is that you’re probably arguing here in good faith, so I will respond thusly, but you seem to be hard-headed.
CRT is an advanced concept taught in universities, deeper in sociology, economics, and law - it’s not a high school class and it’s not a 101 level college class. Very few people will ever be taught CRT relative to the whole population.
However, the history of the United States, including ugly factual information about racial injustice, like slavery, segregation, etc. is taught in high school classes. Almost all Americans are taught about these things are they are not at all an advanced subject and basic factual history about our country.
There are people on the right who do not want an accurate retelling of this part of our history, they’d rather try to bury it. But it’s hard to say “let’s stop teaching people about slavery and segregation”, you aren’t going to get a lot of public support about that. So you deliberately conflate two different things in an effort to create a boogeyman - you take CRT, which is a real, but advanced level sociological theory, and deliberately make it sound as though it is being taught at all levels of schooling to all children, and that the basic history we learn, about slavery and segregation are CRT.
If you understand that almost everything Fox News and that whole circle does is create simplified, often inaccurate “culture war” issues and then tell people which side they’re on and which side to be outraged about, this deliberate misunderstanding of what CRT is, and what kids in school are being taught obviously lines up with their “culture war” tactics.
The reality is that the people who were once pro-slavery, and pro-segregation, and pro-discrimination are now against teaching people about that history and about any sort of lasting disadvantages that has over minority communities. They want both whitewash their own evil history and also remove any sort of “excuses” that might explain why minorities are not as successful in current society so that they can continue to believe that inherent inferiority is the only reason for, for example, black poverty. This is part of their white superiority/white supremacy worldview.
So, in summation, CRT is real. CRT is not being taught to primary school students. However, the factual history of the United States on racial issues is, in most places, being taught, and this upsets them. They lie that CRT is being taught to primary school students in order to make it play into their “leftists are radicalizing our children with radical ideas!” culture war narrative, because CRT is necessarily less understood and more controversial than simply teaching basic historical fact around race in the US, and so it makes a much bigger boogeyman and rallying cry than “let’s not teach our kids about slavery and segregation”
So if the left or people attached to actual reality (these terms are almost interchangable these days) “give up” on this issue, what actually happens is that local schoolboards whitewash the US history in regards to racial relations and history. You say it’s harmless to ban “CRT” because it’s not being taught in primary schools, but the actual policy effects to allowing them ban “CRT” in primarily schools will actually be to downplay and white wash actual, historical, non-controversial racial history in the US.
These are not good faith actors. They know CRT is not being taught in primary school. They don’t actually want to ban CRT in primary school because they know it’s not being taught there - what they want to do is confuse the public about what CRT is, and ban any sort of teaching about the ugly side of racial history in the US. When “leftists” (ie people attached to reality and good faith) argue against their movement, it is not to protect teaching of CRT in primary school - because, again, that’s not happening - but because they want to prevent the whitewashing of US racial history in primary school.
The issue is whether or not we should teach the ugly history of the United States, and CRT is a red herring that they use to deliberately confuse the issue. The actual changes that would occur if the right wing wins this one would be to ban the teaching of non-CRT based history.
Discrimination based on race is illegal. Us white people are already protected by this.
College admissions is a separate issue. I’ve noticed certain political ideologues can’t seem to just talk about one topic at a time. I’m not interested in a what about what about what about kind of discussion.
Funny, but teachers have been teaching about racism for a long time, and parents didn’t fight back. No one has a problem with teaching the real history of racism. So what changed, if teachers are just teaching the truth about racism? Why are parents bothered now in a way they weren’t in, say, 2005?
What they have a problem with is stuff like,the 1619 project, which is a pack of lies and distortions meant to convey the belief that America was founded in original sin, and that the purpose of its founding was to maintain slavery - which is nonsense taught as fact.
Parents have a problem with their kids being told that white people are born with original sin, and can only expunge their guilt through ‘anti-racist’ activities and ‘allyship’.
They have a problem with black kids being told they are being oppressed by the white kids, and the white kids being told they are oppressors.
They have a problem with curricula being ‘de-colonized’ and dumbed down because ‘math is racist’, and there are ‘different kinds of learning’ and that expecting precision, punctuality and hard work from minority students is wrong because these are ‘white traits’.
Black parents are getting sick of the soft bigotry of low expectations, and of failing schools blaming ‘structural racism’ and ‘whiteness’ for their kids’ failing grades instead of blaming the shitty teachers, administrators and corrupt politicians who run their cities into the ground and condemn their children to violent neighborhoods and terrible schools.
Parents also have a problem with the left’s usual attempt to substitute word games for actual response to their criticism. “CRT is just an obscure legal theory” is a stupid argument meant to deflect away from the kind of stuff mentioned above, which IS being taught in some schools. It’s like how the left bounces from “We are all socialists now” to “Whaa? Socialism? No one advocates socialism!” whenever the tide of public opinion turns against it.
Cite that “parents didn’t fight back”? Cite that “no one has a problem with teaching the real history of racism”? Cite that no one was bothered by teaching racism in 2005?
This entire rant is opinion. There are zero facts, only perceived grievances. I work in a school, do you? I am in an American urban High School every single day (I’m not a teacher so you don’t have to automatically assume anything about me). Nothing you have just said has any resemblance to reality. The right wing media has been doing everything they can to get people like you worked up exactly the way you are right now and it is working. Nobody is telling kids that they are automatically racist if they are white. Nobody is telling Black kids not to work hard. Because we live in such different realities I’m going to decline to participate in this thread any further. There is nothing to gain.
Do you remember any parent revolts over it? Do upu remember it being a political issue? Did any candidates for,governor lose their election because of school curriculum issues?
Of course you can find individuals whomwill object to anything taught in schools. There are people angry because the ‘UFO issue’ isn’t taught in schools. But we have never seen anything like the organized parent pushback we are seeing today. Because what is being taught now isn’t fact, but left-wing indoctrination masquerading as fact.
The notion that what’s being taught isn’t the pure legal CRT theory and therefore OK has about as much relevance as teaching intelligent design but saying it’s okay because it’s not literal ‘creationism’. We all know what it is, word games notwithstanding.