Nice statement posing as a question, but I’ll play along:
I don’t know, but I can’t recall seeing it too many times…but I am open to correction.
Maybe the victim of a horribly-run campaign.
Again: I’m not rehashing 2016. I was asked what I meant by “Hillary Clinton” in response to hajario in another thread, and if that meant I wouldn’t vote for her over Donald Trump. I’m pretty sure I explained it.
I’ve since explained what I meant, as the OP asked, and Chronos and Tamerlane actually sussed out what I meant by it too.
I’m truly sorry for getting people so upset over my lack-of-clarity on a ridiculously far-fetched hypothetical situation.
The thing is, she’s a better choice over Donald Trump every time. It’s not even close to close.
You know that, and I know that, and most of the folks on this board know that… but a very large percentage of the American public don’t know that. Some mistakenly believe that Trump is a better choice, and some (the subject of the comment that spawned this thread) somehow aren’t sure.
She did a lot to get Bill elected Governor and then President.
Wait, is this directed at me?
I understand that in fantasy land one may abstain from voting and let the bad guy win. And it ain’t one’s fault, because one didn’t vote, and YAWWWWN…George Carlin called, and he wants his comedy bit back.
Hillary is very accomplished in her own right.
I’m not sure Bill has as much going for himself. He has stuff. I, personally believe she has more.
Not to mention more self control.
By the time she was running for prez there’s no doubt she had fight, bravery and the built in brains.
Bill had charisma, Hillary had massive drive. Both are smart as hell, unlike Trump.
Ummmm… what??? This is so far from my thinking - then and now — and that of everyone I knew — that I don’t even know where to begin.
I literally FORGOT she was ever married to a president, about halfway through her tenure as Secretary of State*. By the time of her 2016 primary campaign, it has been YEARS since I’d given Bill Clinton a moment’s thought.
In fact, when it did come up briefly at some point in the 2016 primary season (in the unserious question of what Bill would be called — First Husband?) — I can remember thinking, “Oh, yeah — she’s married to that guy!” No, I’m not kidding or exaggerating.
(And that particular, unimportant question would come up for any married female president, whatever their hubby’s former job happened to be).
Chronos, we operate in very different circles. I believe you when you say that, in your circle, Bill loomed large in people’s minds that year. But not in mine, not at all. I’m SURE of this.
*Actually, it was much earlier. I clearly remember not giving Bill (or Hillary’s status as his wife) much thought at all during the 2008 primaries. It was all about “do we want a woman first, and then a black person, or the other way around?”, and “does Obama have enough experience, compared to Clinton’s longer Senate tenure?”, and, “is Clinton just a bit too hawkish and corporatist — she’d be a good president, but this Obama guy sounds even better?”
ETA: If your question was rhetorical, and you meant to make the same point as me, my bad.
What about money?
OK then, look for the hate, cruelty and money and you’ll find their motive.
The campaign was sufficient to secure enough votes in enough places to win. It wasn’t perfect, but it was good enough… were it not for the many, many crimes committed to prevent her from winning. There is zero doubt now that numerous crimes were committed to prevent Clinton from winning. There’s no denying that now.
If a marathon runner narrowly lost a race after being assaulted several times along the way including by the race’s eventual winner, would you say that she ran a bad race?
If she knew about the location of the attackers and could have fairly easily evaded them then she ran a bad tactical race.
She knew Trump paid off a porn star and did dodgy accounting to hide the fact? Stupid of her not to have mentioned it.
People who want an object lesson on misogyny via impossible standards can read this thread.
No, it’s directed at the folks you were referring to in your comment.
If I could find fault in her campaign it was clear she was running the race the way it was traditionally done.
Trump went to the mud fast and hard and she couldn’t or wouldn’t go there.
I have the same problem with Biden. I wish he’d get in front of the cameras every day talking about “that Felon” and how many more lawsuits are looming and the terrible racist, sexist, criminal behavior he has inflicted on Americans. How stupid he was about COVID. How he’s in league with communist leaders.
Unlike Trump, Biden doesn’t have to lie to tell who Trump really is. It’s fact.
This is how he steamrolled through the primary as well. No one else would go after one another because they wanted favor with the eventual winner and they didn’t take him seriously. By the time they realized what was going on, it was too late. He was playing a different game because he didn’t give a shit. It was funny until it wasn’t.
So true, and so well said.
Ah gotcha