"If you don't like [x], you don't have to do [x]"

I HATE this argument and wish people would stop using it so much.

Say I start a pit thread about how much I hate reality television. Inevitably, someone is going to say something like:

“if you don’t like reality televison, don’t watch it.”
“Nobody’s holding a gun to your head and making you watch reality television.”

First off, I think it’s offensive because it implies I’m so stupid that I hadn’t even considered the possibility that I don’t have to watch it. As if I’m sitting around watching something I hate by choice because I thought I absolutely had tofor some reason.

Besides, it’s a completely fucking irrelevant thing to say. Maybe my boyfriend is obsessed with it and thus I am exposed to it that way, or my favorite bar has wall to wall TVs that display only reality television. I could leave my boyfriend and never go to that bar again, so that yes, I wouldn’t have to be exposed to it anymore. Despite this, I chose not to do so, because I think leaving my boyfriend over it is unreasonable, and I happen to love every single other thing about that bar. And you know why? None of thatt fucking matters. It doesn’t matter if there’s always something I can do so that I don’t have to watch it, and it doesn’t matter if I choose to put up with it anyway. Hell, it doesn’t even matter if I know I don’t have to watch it and choose to sit around and watch it all day anyway because I’m a masochist or something. Why? Because none of it changes the fact that I fucking hate reality television. Which is, you know, my whole point in the first place.

It’s also a stupid thing to say because, for all you know (assuming I didn’t state otherwise), I DON’T watch it at all, but am pissed because I still have to hear people talk about it constantly. For all you know, I don’t watch it AND haven’t been exposed to any idea remotely related to reality television in over 5 years, but the idea of it just popped into my head for some reason and I decided to post about it. Same thing applies as above: still hate it, and hating it is still my point.

In summary: don’t use this argument. It’s insulting. It’s irrelevant. And, no matter what the situation is, I have a right to express my fucking opinion about the subject regardless.

Clear?

While we’re at it, other things I’d like to see disappear from this board forever:

Having to add a million and a half stupid qualifications to everything said. If you don’t go out of your way to completely clarify every single thought or opinion you have on everything even remotely relately to the topic, chances are, you’re going to piss someone off or offend someone or get argued with about some stupid thing they assumed simply because you didn’t explicity contradict that particular thing. Stop doing this. Unless I outright say I think a certain thing is wrong, or don’t like a particular thing, or that nobody should particpate it particular activity, you are to automatically assume absolutely nothing about my thoughts on it.

Similarly, people who need to point out every possible stupid exception to a point, and every ridiculous bizarro situation where something might apply in a different way. Especially if you do it to prove that because something may possibly be wrong in one obscure case, it’s wrong in all of them.
Example? I feel like if I don’t come out and say something like, “I know people will sometimes specifically complain about having to do something they clearly don’t, and recognize that this argument is acceptable in such a case,” some smartass might point out/make up such an example and argue with me about it. This is stupid and annoying.

There. Now that I feel I’ve wasted enough of my life on something sufficiently pointless, I’m going to post this.

If you didn’t want to hear other people’s opinions, you don’t have to share your own.

I could see your point, if your post count was higher.

You don’t like reality TV, so nobody should ever watch it or discuss it.

If I don’t like something you think is wonderful, don’t express your opinions to me, okay?

It’s amazing how many people feel they should have the right to live like they want to without giving that right to anyone who doesn’t see everything their way.

Sorry, OP. This is a public message board, and there’s no real uniting factor we all have, besides being somewhat fluent in English and (I think) believing we’re above average in intelligence. It is obvious that when you express disdain for something you dislike greatly, you might need to consider not being around it.

Hell, I open threads all the time about commercials I hate, and I’m well aware of the fact that I can turn the TV off, mute, or walk away when they come on. If someone came into a thread and made that point, I would either a) ignore it, b) acknowledge that yes, that is something I could do, or c) explain why, given the fact I can avoid the stimulus, I choose to expose myself to it.

Part of participating on a message board is that you don’t get to choose how people respond to your ideas.

Yeah, I can’t sympathize with the OP either. I hate reality shows too. I don’t watch them. I hate Sitcoms. I don’t watch them.

My husband likes to watch shows like “How It’s Made” and “Deadliest Catch”. I don’t care for those shows but when it’s his turn to watch TV I either capitulate or go do something else.

On the other hand, I like to watch soap operas. When it’s my turn to watch TV he either rolls his eyes or does something else.

So, go do something else.

I think that the assumption is that if you loathe something you must be very knowledgeable about it, therefore you spend too much time experiencing it. I hate the taste and smell of saurkraut, and I hope that, by saying so, no one assumes that I must eat it whenever it is available. I avoid it, and I wish it were kept further away and made less available. I also hate football and wish it would stop intruding on my life, but I don’t loathe it to the point where I want to stop living in order to avoid those nagging football intrusions. And, please, do not take that as in invitation to assault me with more football in order to see if I could be pushed to that point. Much like Br’er Lapin’s aversion to reality television, it is something in which an encounter while channel-surfing is too much.

I think it is fair to complain about something with which our culture is saturated. Some things cannot be avoided enough.

“I got poked in the eye once, and I hated it.”
“Well, stop being poked in the eye.”
“Arrrgh!”

Charger you have an odd handle for someone who hates football, but, can I marry you? :smiley:

I loathe football and most other sports. My only wish is that these big games that people love so much could be played on a cable channel, so as not to disturb my prime time network viewing pleasures.

If I’m going to post a thread about something, obviously I understand that I will get opinions about what I’ve said. If I didn’t want to hear other people’s opinions, then obviously, no, I wouldn’t put myself in the position to hear them.

I accept it.

Still doesn’t mean what they say doesn’t sometimes annoy the living hell out of me.

Honey, everything annoys the living shit out of someone. Let me make it easy for you. I am the kiss of death. Threads I respond to die. Let this one die, too.

:dubious: And my post count affects your opinion on the topics how, exactly?

Er… why? I don’t care if the thread dies after this post or goes on for weeks, but I don’t see why I’d want it to die immediately. I don’t feel like I should be embarassed, or desperately want it to disappear so I can pray nobody remembers it or ever mentions it again or something.

Eh. If people think it’s so stupid it needs to die immediately, then it will. Whatever.

I don’t have much of an opinion on the first thing, but I’m with you on the rest. Obviously it doesn’t bug me enough to leave, but it is kind of tiresome to feel the need to anticipate everyone’s offense and disclaim the shit out of it. AND I HAVE AN OBSCURE MEDICAL CONDITION THAT PREVENTS ME FROM LIGHTENING UP AND NOT BEING BOTHERED BY IT. :smiley:

I believe **Bearflag70 ** was giving an example of another really stupid argument. I don’t think he was serious.

I think I understand the point of your Op, you gave an example people seem to be seizing on instead of the point you were trying to make.

I tend to agree with your title, but I also see exceptions. Maybe an easier example would be a statement like, "I hate paying so much to see a movie and then having to sit through commercials. "

Most posters will agree, but some ass will still chime in, “don’t go to the movies or arrive a little late.” This would be a complete valueless argument and overlooking salient points like you often need to arrive early to get a decent seat.

Does this match what you were trying to say with your Op?

Jim

:smack: Consider me to be whooshed.

Pretty much, yeah. Obviously, any numbskull can recognize there are measures they can take to avoid things displease them, so you’re just saying it to be just being snarky, right? The problem is that I think it’s an argument so weak it’s not even an argument anymore but just a completely – like you said – “valueless” statement.

But more importantly, unless the thread title is “I hate how there is absolutely no conceievable way for me to avoid watching reality TV, which I hate” it’s completely irrelevant to why I’m ranting.

I acknowledge my example was kind of poor (yours is much better). I sort of just went with the first one I pulled one out of my ass because I figured people would still understand what I was trying to say. Guess I was wrong. Sorry if I caused anyone any undue confusion.

I will. :wink:

I’m going to agree with the OP. It’s a stupid and valueless thing to say. Maybe (to use the OP’s example), I hate reality TV and think it’s taking up valuable air time that could be better used for shitty sitcoms. Then, not watching reality TV wouldn’t solve my problem, because there would still be a lack of shitty sitcoms.

If you want to argue that reality TV is greatest thing to happen to culture ever, and the poster who doesn’t like it is an idiot, then fine. But to just say “don’t watch it” isn’t very helpful.

In my case I am often slagging something which I used to love. Often I stick with it, hoping against hope that it will get better. When your favorite musical artist/TV show/movie actor sells out/degenerates/just gets old and lazy (more times than I care to count), well then as a (former) fan I feel like I have every right to complain and bitch about the things they are doing wrong now (vs. the things they did right before). I gave up on the last season of Angel (esp. after that totally idiotic Muppet ep.), but still felt like I had the right to voice my complaints. [Did like the finale tho after I felt like I owed myself to give the characters a solid sendoff, and they got one]

Amen to that. Argue to the spirit of the post and not the letter. Anybody can spit out some half-assed convoluted counterargument nitpicking some minor point or omission you made, but it doesn’t advance the argument one iota.

You know, if you have a problem with this board, you’re free to leave. Other message boards out there, and all.

It bugs me when I see this argument used against people venting about their jobs. “if you don’t like your job, just quit and get another one.” As if the Job Fairy is just waiting to descend from HappyCloudLand to instantly hand out rewarding work to dissatisfied employees.

But my post count is probably too low to make observations like that. :slight_smile: