Yes they did but Gazongas had a nice big season, they’re biggest to date.
My gf puts on makeup and does her hair even when we are just hanging around the house, cleaning horse stalls, doing yard work, etc. I once asked her why. She told me she wanted to look nice for me.
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And I believe it’s derogatory to refer to a woman’s breasts as “boobs”, “jugs”, “winnebagos” or “golden bozos”… and that you should only refer to them as “hooters”.
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Uh, “Winnebagos”? That’s a new one on me.
that’s when they’re covered in Seminoles
“Fake” is such an ugly word; I prefer the term “artificial.” As @Grrr! points out, if you can touch them, they’re real.
I’m clearly in the minority on this issue on the Dope, which is funny to me, because in other corners of the internet I venture to, I’m also in the minority on this issue, but for entirely different reasons.
Seems like practically any plural works. Yabos, melons, bouncy balls, headlights, dirty pillows (Thanks, Mr. Powers). It’s like ad-libs: Hey, check out the <plural noun> on that lady.
I find the idea that women enlarge their breasts for reasons apart from public opinion to be unlikely.
Breasts in women are unnecessarily large in almost all cases. It’s certainly a function of breeding over millions of years. Like many animals there are many attributes that drive the mating process and this is one of them in humans. Males have an attraction to breasts. A significant number of men are obsessed with large breasts. Somewhere along the line this got translated into “bigger is better” with no apparent limitations. I don’t get it but there is no denying the situation exists.
I dislike “fake books” because it’s an unnecessary (and dangerous) pandering to visual mating cues that we should have moved beyond as an intellectual species.
Wow. This thread has deeply disappointed me and changed my opinion about a couple of people I once respected.
But hey, like folks are saying, it’s my opinion and I have a right to it…
I’d show you a pic of a lady that got these things that were so damned big they had to have their own international air space.
And he skin was stretched so thin, it was like paper.
That aint pretty
Nah, no such thing except in the Barbie Doll school of anatomy, which no girl should buy into.
In what way?
…probably posts like this.
You are skeptical that many choose this procedure for their own personal reasons quite apart from attracting others or intentional deception?
Here are examples of some reasons why. (that aren’t for attracting others or for intentional deception.)
http://www.docshop.com/2014/02/05/ten-common-reasons-women-undergo-breast-augmentation
Are you still highly skeptical now?
The premise of this thread is that women who have augmented breast surgery are intending to deceive. That entire premise is kinda yuck. Yet that premise is repeated by several dopers in this thread. And the juvenile tone of the thread keeps up the yuck. Its disappointing to read threads like this, dominated by male posters, who objectify breasts and reduce them to a “function of breeding”.
Some background to start with. Read the OP. It is not about people getting implants because of an injury or disfiguration or discomfort or for reasons of gender identity or some other medical reason. It’s about people who “preen like peacocks” and models. So that’s the background. And in any event as with any thread the discussion tends to wander; you can’t say the 30th (or whatever) post is about something merely because the 1st post was about that thing.
OK, now your two links. Your second link is to a puff site trying to sell plastic surgery. So it’s going to say whatever the hell is going to sell best. I wouldn’t count on it for much. Having said that, did you actually read it? Almost all the reasons amount to “so my breasts would look better”. The only one that clearly doesn’t is “so clothes will fit better”.
Secondly your other link is to an article that is just a written up recitation of the top responses in a reddit thread. So the 13 reasons are just the ones people found most interesting or sympathetic. They are in no way proportionate ie for all we know it could be that one or two of the reasons given are the reason 95% of people have breast surgery. And in any event, as above, pretty much all the reasons given amount to “I wanted my breasts to look better”.
Now of course many describe this as “greater confidence” but what does that mean, really? Would a person have “greater confidence” if they changed the shape of their medial malleolus (ankle bone) so it was more average? You actually believe that the fact that people will have “greater confidence” if they have more average looking, or larger or younger looking etc breasts and the fact that breasts are a key visual secondary sexual characteristic is a complete co-incidence? I’ve got a bridge you might like to buy.
I said above why I was highly skeptical of self reported statements about doing cosmetic things. There was a recent thread on this where people were vociferously claiming that they wore makeup, sexy clothes, high heels or whatever just to please themselves and not because of how it made them look to others, and when I said “but you don’t wear these things home alone do you?” it pretty much killed the thread. But you would have me believe that when it comes to cosmetic breast surgery, it’s totally different and people’s self reported reasons are completely accurate? Why?
I think the claims that “I did this cosmetic thing to make myself feel good” is probably totally accurate.
I don’t however believe claims that how others will feel about one’s cosmetic surgery are usually irrelevant to the reason one has that surgery. I think what people really mean is “I did it to make myself feel good by altering (in a positive way) how others perceive me.” And that is not compatible with the suggestion that others’ feelings are irrelevant.
…I can read thanks. I know perfectly what the alleged “background” of this thread is. The OP dislikes “fake boobs” because they are irritated by anything smacks of an attempt to deceive". I stand by my gut feelings about that premise: which is that its kinda yuck, and it is still “kinda yuck” when we are talking about people who “preen like peacocks” and models. I’m a photographer, and I work with a heck of a lot of models. And they “preen like peacocks”: because that is what they are paid to do.
The snippet of my post that you quoted was talking about what **you **said though. You said (by implication) you were skeptical that many choose this procedure for their own personal reasons quite apart from attracting others or intentional deception. I’m skeptical of your skepticism.
You asked "In what way (has this thread "deeply disappointed Una and changed her opinion about a couple of people she once respected)? I’m not answering for Una. She can speak for herself. But I addressed your question: so yes, discussions wander, which is why I talked about both the OP and other posts in this thread.
At least I’ve provided a couple of links.
What have you provided? You claim to know what women do when they are “when she’s home alone.” How do you know that exactly? Are you peering in windows?
My cites may not have been “Great Debate” worthy. But we are not in Great Debates, and it appears I’ve bought more to the table than you have. Dickerman’s assertion was that “Many choose this procedure for their own personal reasons quite apart from attracting others or intentional deception.” You are skeptical of this assertion: but I’ve cited 13 people that should give you reason to question your skepticism. Are you simply going to dismiss that out of hand? Or are you going to do your own research to see if “what you think to be true” is actually true?
I very nearly didn’t start my business six years ago because of how I felt about my body. I don’t think you have a goddamn clue about how people feel about themselves, their bodies, and confidence.
Perhaps you “killed the thread” because your assertion was pretty ridiculous, but its the kind of ridiculous question that women have to deal with all the time, so they simply abandoned the thread. Did you argue with them in the same way as you are arguing with me? Then yeah, with the greatest of respect, I can see why you killed the thread.
But does this mean you are basing your “they don’t do it at home” assertion on the fact that women couldn’t be bothered arguing with you? In a single thread?
Then I suspect what you are about to say is going to be completely irrelevant.
It looks like I was correct. I think you should take people at face value. And if you want clarification then you should ask. I don’t think you should assume that if someone says something that they mean something else based on peering through a few windows and people not responding to you on a messageboard thread.
**BB **read more carefully. I was responding to another post which, in one sentence, referred to attracting others, and deception, and others feelings. But nothing in my response referenced deception in any way. Sorry, I’ll be more careful to cut down my quotes in future, though I must say I’m not sure you were trying too hard to understand.
As to your claim to have brought more to the table, you seem to miss my point. Even insofar as your links are factual, they support my point not yours. They are - generalising only slightly - all about appearances. Which is precisely what I’m arguing is critical to why I’m correct.
As to your demand for cites that as a general proposition people don’t wear cosmetics and high heels etc. when home alone, do you actually argue the contrary? It’s hard to take you seriously if so. My view is based on knowing many women, friends, girlfriends, wife, books, everything I’ve ever read describing people’s lives. People put on makeup to go out, and take it off when they come home, pretty much. Same with heels. I’ve never - before you - met anyone or heard of anyone who would argue that people generally do any different. Your suggestion is ludicrous. Even more ludicrous is the proposition that people never contradicted me in this assertion (in this thread or the last or the last time I participated in this discussion on Reddit) because my statement is so wrong or ridiculous I"m not worth arguing with. You’ve been posting here how long? You are aware of Cunningham’s Law, surely? FFS.
As to your last paragraph, your opinions on what I should do are noted but no, sorry. I am not going to handwave away evidence and reasoning that points to the likelihood that people are fooling themselves or being dishonest. Are you sure you aren’t interested in my bridge?
Finally here’s a clue; your last post barely touched the facts or reasoning behind my view. One critical point you attempt to handwave away with vague references to unparticularised personal experience. Another you attempt to deflect with some sort of silly straw man about window peering. You don’t get to grips with the substance of what I said at all. Why is that?
Oh please, tell me it’s because my argument’s too silly to even deal with. Sure. No, I’m not interested in buying a bridge. That’s you, remember?
…I don’t need to read more carefully. You need to post more carefully. You are claiming you are skeptical that many choose this procedure for their own personal reasons. The basis of your skepticism is that you think that women often either fooling themselves or being dishonest. I’m skeptical of your skepticism.
Depression. Comfort. Breast cancer. Confidence. Return to normalcy. Disorder. Clothes. Confidence again. Life changing. Fit the clothes better. Fit the wedding dress. For the experience. Self esteem. Not a single one of the people talked about what other people thought of them: only what they thought of themselves. They don’t show you are correct. They show you are wrong.
I haven’t demanded any cites. And its your assertion that they don’t: so its up to you to prove that they don’t.
Well thats cool: because I don’t take you seriously at all. With all due respect of course.
I haven’t suggested anything. I’ve asked you a question.
Cunningham’s Law isn’t a real law. I’ve never heard of it before, and now I’ve heard of it, I really couldn’t care less. For Fucks Sakes.
Women have told you that they like to “wear makeup, sexy clothes, high heels or whatever just to please themselves” and you are telling them that “no, they are wrong.” You are telling them they are fooling themselves, that they are being dishonest. I can’t imagine why people would stop engaging you! Of course you know better than them, you know many women, friends, girlfriends, wives, and you’ve read books!
What evidence? What many women, friends, girlfriends, wife, books, everything you’ve ever read describing people’s lives? Then why aren’t you believing what they are telling you?
Thats because you’ve barely provided any facts nor reasoning. Are these many women, friends, girlfriends, wives, and books telling you that women regularly are both fooling themselves and being dishonest when they say they “dress up nice just to please themselves?”
“Window peering” is not a strawman. I asked you a question. How do you know what women are doing in the privacy of their own homes when they are on their own?
What the fudge does a bridge have to do with breast augmentation surgery? And where the fudge have I suggested in this thread that I want to buy a bridge?
I have been looking for that Manga for ages. Do you know the name of it?
No, but I read somewhere that it comes from a somewhat tounge-in-cheek “how to draw manga” guide, not an actual series.
No, I remember it. That’s from a real doujinshi anthology that is just about as silly and ludicrous as it looks, and a lot of the other stories contained therein are pretty great. Shame you don’t know of it, because I sure can’t figure out what it was called. 
Yes, but does this mean that women only wear makeup to please others? It could also mean that women 1) think they look put together when wearing makeup and 2) want to look put together when out in public. When they are alone and casual, looking put together might take a back seat to being comfortable, but it doesn’t mean it completely ceases to matter.
When I work from home, as tempting as it is to just roll out of bed and hop on the laptop, I might an effort to put together a decent outfit, fix my hair, and yes, dab on makeup. It’s not just habit that is driving me. I see myself in a certain way, and when a casual glance in the mirror shows that I don’t look that way, it makes me feel off.
It’s like making the bed. Most people who make their bed everyday don’t do this ritual to impress visitors.