I'm beginning to dislike fake boobs.

I really don’t get the concept that there’s deception involved in modifying one’s body and then showing off the modification. Especially when, according to the person claiming ‘deception’, it’s obvious that the modification has happened. Isn’t that the direct opposite of deception? I see nothing to support the idea that there is any deception. And a significant portion of most people’s looks are bought and paid for - clothes, makeup, jewelry, hairstyles, gym/trainer fees and time, etc. all cost money and/or require a significant chunk of time. If that is a problem, then you need to be upset at just about anyone who’s going out in public or making a youtube video focusing on their looks.

Also the closing statement where the OP feels that women’s choices about how to manage their own bodily structure should be based on what’s attractive to him is… interesting.

That was from an old Steve Martin routine.

Done right they are appealing. However, I’m a bit worried about the dangerous and exaggerated lengths people will go to in order to please some perceived societal aesthetic.

A quite extended list of breast euphemisms, courtesy of Yahtzee Crowshaw: Stonking Great tits!! - YouTube

Actually, no; while I know very few women who’ll put on makeup first thing in the morning, most of the makeup-wearers I do know won’t take it off until they’re getting ready to bed, if then. This is one of the reasons why “makeup you don’t need to take off” is so popular.

As for cosmetic surgery in general, most of the people who claim not to like it are actually only talking about either bad jobs or the post-op stages when things haven’t quite reached the desired appearance. And then there’s the issue of corrective cosmetic surgery: again, most of the people who claim to dislike cosmetic surgery claim to have “no trouble” with implants after a mastectomy, and I’ve still to see someone who was against correcting harelip or a deviated septum. But alas, if the person who just got surgery to correct a deviated septum happens to be an actress, model or TV presenter, here come the criticising hordes*!

  • Only if female, mind you. Apparently nobody looks at male noses.

In Japanese it’s 巨乳平面説(きょにゅうへいめんせつ). Kyonyu heimen setsu. (lit. enormous breast flat explanation)

It was published in Kairakuten Comic November Issue for 2006.

Rarer but they do exist. I’ve developed a taste for Japanese porn because big or small – unlike American porn – they are almost never “enhanced.”

I’ve preferred smaller all my life. All I asked of a pair I get to play with is that they’re bigger than mine. As I’ve gotten older, this is harder to accomplish.

The google translation of that page. What part of the body is the “isoflum”?

From the name, I would expect it to be a line drawn along the region where the flum has a constant value.

You could then have a series of isoflum lines, giving you a contour map of the flum values. You could even tell the direction of the maximum flum gradient, which ought to be perpendicular to the isoflums.

I’ve found they generally fall into 4 categories;

  1. Subtle, you can only tell by the shape, but they generally look good.
  2. Beach Balls strapped to the chest. No thanks.
  3. A grapefruit cut in half, nipples painted on and glued to the chest. Ugly.
  4. Breasts should not be shaped like that. :eek:

New thread: “I’m beginning to dislike fake flums.”

Has anyone here ever seen a man with pectoral implants? I haven’t IRL, that I know of, but I’ve seen a few pictures of male models who had them.

They’re even more obvious than women’s implants, and IMNSHO they look awful.

How would you know? She’s home alone. You only see her when she’s out. And it would sure be a rude thing to ask.

Obviously someone isn’t reading for context. The answer is clearly given in the sentence immediately following the part you quoted:

See? People claim that Japanese is so hard to understand, but it’s so clear!

OK, a little more seriously:

The following tongue in cheek explanation is given in Japanese:

表面上見ることの出来ないバスト部分、これを虚乳と呼び、貧乳=平面的と評される、見えているバスト部分の大きさなど所詮飾りであり、偉い人にはそれはわからない。表面上現れない部分=虚乳を含めた全体がバストである。 また、虚乳虚乳を掛け合わせることで、隠れていた一部が実乳として可視化する。

The machine translation can’t handle it. You saw the results, as follows:
The bust part that can not be seen on the surface, called this is called the skim milk, the size of the visible bust part which is said to be flat milk = it is a decoration, and for a great person it is not understood. The part which does not appear on the surface = the whole body including the isoflum is bust . In addition, by multiplying ischemia with skim milk , part hidden is visualized as actual milk .

I don’t know if you can see the Japanese, but there are some vocabulary which are relevant.

虚乳 = kyonyuu. This was translated as “isoflum” and also as “skim milk” and “ischemia.” The real meaning is “fake tits” including the results of pushup bras. Here is a manga showing it. Not NSFW unless having an illustration of a girl holding her breasts together to create cleavage isn’t cool at your work place. The pronunciation is the same as “巨乳” “giant tits” or big tits. The second character is the character for “milk” which is why the various words include milk as the translation.

貧乳 = binnyuu, flat chested. (lit. poor tits)

Slightly off topic. I remember talking to my (platonic) friend on the phone:

Me: “Hey, I was thinking about stopping by your place for a while. Figured we can order a pizza and watch a movie or something.”

Her: “Okay, but I’m not wearing any make up and I’m in my sweatpants”
Lol. How am I supposed to respond to a statement like that?: “Oh, not wearing any make up? Yikes! I’ll take a rain check on that Nicole”

(That wasn’t my actual response. I just thought it was weird she felt the need to “warn” me.)

I AM upset by those people! This thread was about vanity, not “self esteem” or breast cancer, whatever irrelevant crap others wanted to drag into it. Vanity used to be a bad thing, and now it feels like no big deal. Breast implants serve no purpose other than to augment one’s appearance. Whether that is to satisfy others or oneself, it’s STILL vanity. They are not the only example, they are just one of many.

What the hell are you talking about?

So you agree with me that it’s about how they look. Which means you agree with me that people who say “how I look is irrelevant to my wearing of makeup, heels etc” are lying. Which is the source of my scepticism about those who have breast enhancement. So we are in agreement, right?

Most of your post is purest waffle and/or accidental or deliberate misunderstanding of what I’m saying and I don’t intend to dignify it with a reply. The above is the crux of the matter.

You ain’t gettin’ it. Why does getting breast enhancement cure depression, make one confident, give a positive experience etc? Think a bit beyond the surface.

Imagine someone said to you “I want more money because then I’ll be happy”. If you were thinking deeply about why money would make them happy, would you stop at "because it will make them happy’? Is that it? Is that as far as your thinking extends? Of course not. You would surmise (correctly I suppose) that they think money will make them happy because it will give them greater security in relation to the necessaries of life, and of status and comfort and so on. Right?

But in relation to breast enhancement, you are stopping (figuratively speaking) at “because it will make them happy” without going any further and thinking why it will make them happy.

Here’s a clue; imagine we were cave creatures who lived in total darkness and interacted by sense of smell. Do you seriously imagine that in such a world we would worry if one breast was larger than another? Or feel more confident because our breasts looked normal? Or stopped being depressed because we had young looking breasts?

Use your brain.

Saying “makeup is about how the wearer looks” is like “paint is about how the wall looks”. Do you believe that people whose houses never get visited do not paint the inside?

Paint is an extravagance!

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