You seriously bumped this thread to tell me to “use my brain?”
I haven’t claimed “breast implants cure depression.” So just stop with the strawmen already. This is all about you. The real crux of the issue is that you don’t believe what women say in regards to this issue. You think they are “both fooling themselves and being dishonest.” Those are your words. I don’t believe you are a mind-reader. You haven’t justified why your mere opinions should be taken as truth: so until you do I’m going to dismiss your opinion.
But hey, I’m glad you found the time to resurrect this thread. Because a thread insulting women who make the decision to have cosmetic surgery is just the thing this messageboard needs right now!
Princhester, this was your original thesis, correct?
Then you brought up how women use makeup to argue your point. You assert women only use makeup to make themselves attractive to others, which is why they don’t wear it when they are alone.
After I pointed out that women don’t always wear makeup to impress others (case in point, me), you posted this:
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So you agree with me that it’s about how they look. Which means you agree with me that people who say “how I look is irrelevant to my wearing of makeup, heels etc” are lying. Which is the source of my scepticism about those who have breast enhancement. So we are in agreement, right?
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So let me be real clear with you:* No we are not in agreement.* Women aren’t lying when they say they mainly wear makeup to please themselves. Perhaps a large contingent only wear makeup to please others, but there are many that include makeup as a part of their regular grooming ritual. It’s like wearing deodorant or perfume.
I believe a lot of women get breast enhancements primarily because they see themselves as unattractive without them. Hearing a bunch of men saying how they love small boobs doesn’t alter this assessment because what matters most is their self-image.
After I pointed out that women don’t always wear makeup to impress others (case in point, me), you posted this:
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Case in point you… if you don’t wear makeup based on your perception of what other people think that just leaves you. Do you only wear makeup when you’re alone?
I’m still fairly new here, and laugh and shake my head at the same time reading these comments.
Natural breasts don’t always equal small. My puppies are fairly heavy and large, and they’re natural. I’ve also gotten questions from others here and there, asking if they’re fake. For friggin sakes, they aren’t!
The whole shaming of big breasted women is getting annoying.
Reflecting back on my analogy to making up one’s bed, I wonder if Magiver expects my bed to be a mess when company is over. Because obviously that is the only logical expectation that follows from the claim that I make my bed to primarily please me, right?
Gosh, I so wonder why this is. Why do most women want to look like what most men want to see? Maybe they are not actually trying to become great, or original, or their best self, because none of those things have anything to do with appearance as it happens, but are just trying to look sexy in what appears to be the most popular way?
In the same way, I wonder why so many men want to have big muscles, when I personally don’t care for that look at all. What is with that? Don’t they realize that big muscles are such a shallow, single standard of masculinity? Why can’t they embrace their own inner beauty?
I understand why you say this, but perhaps I can explain. To me wearing makeup or whatever to please yourself, for yourself, doesn’t mean that other people aren’t involved. For me at least, the idea is that it makes me feel as though I’m pretty, or at my best. You know that feeling when you have on new clothes, or that one outfit that kills, or maybe when you’re driving a really nice car? You feel good, then because you feel good, people respond to you positively, which makes you feel good, and so forth. It’s like a little recharge in a world that can sometimes drag you down. --But anyway it’s not that women who say this are secretly trying to pick up guys or anything. (except liars.)
I’m baffled by the idea that your guess about multiple other people’s thought processes is likely to be more accurate than their own assessment of their thought processes, but apart from that…
I haven’t had or considered a boob job, but I wear varying amounts of makeup, from (mostly) none/very little to (if I’m going to a serious bash) the works. When I put on eyeshadow for a night out with my mates or my husband, it’s not because I think they’ll believe I suddenly have stunning smoky eyes. They know what I look like. And it’s not because I give even one thought to what the randomers at the pub might think of me.
I’m putting on eyeshadow mainly because it makes me feel like this is an occasion. It’s one way of separating the night from work, going to the shops, cooking dinner, chasing the kids around pretending to be a monster, all the other stuff I’ve done that day. Same goes for wearing a cool top and heels. It makes me feel like the night is something separate and special.
ETA: If you were right and it was all about other people’s perception, then I’d wear more makeup to drag the kids round town doing back-to-school shopping (where probably hundreds of people will see me) than to go to a small restaurant with my husband (where maybe a couple of dozen other people will see me). But I don’t. Because it’s not about other people seeing me, it’s about my own sense of occasion.
If they’re there, they’re real enough. But boobs aren’t important to me (unless they’re enhanced to a ridiculous degree, at which point they’re a turn-off).
If I were to make a list of fake things that I hate, boobs would not be near the top of the list. Since >99% of them I only see, covered, and cannot detect the fakes, I’m OK with it day to day.
I defy anyone to prove this false; 2 women of equal beauty and brains, but one had large breasts and the other had small breasts, came into a room full of men, guess who would get all the attention? Me and my sister ( we were very opposite in boobage) tested this theory many times, and proved it to be, oh so true
I pretty much never wear makeup beyond fingernail polish, because I don’t care for it. Similarly, I can’t imagine having plastic surgery alterations without some sort of dire medical need calling for it.
But I know plenty of women who think differently, and for whom putting on makeup is as basic as putting on decent clean clothes to go out. They may not do it at home, but they aren’t doing it to attract others (many are already married) so much as because it’s part of their routine, part of what makes them feel comfortable, etc.
While it might not be for me, I can see how a woman might feel more confident with larger breasts. Maybe it is because other people will look at her and see her like that, maybe it is because she felt self-conscious about small breasts, but it still doesn’t mean she’s trying to deceive or to lure men. She just decided, “Y’know, I’d like bigger breasts!” and went for it. Since it’s her own body, why not make it look the way she wants it to look?
I’m a gay woman. Personally, I like breasts pretty much any way they are available. I wouldn’t think better of a person with altered breasts, but I wouldn’t look down on her either. (I’m married too, so this is a theoretical exercise at this point. ;))