I'm going to court (long)

qts, I think that lauramarlane knows her children and ex-husband best.

lauramarlane, Can you explain a little better the reasoning DCYF gave for saying the accusations wre unfounded? Was it because it wasn’t witnessed by anyone else, because there weren’t any bruises on your son or because your ex said it didn’t happen? No one suggested family counseling or anything? Will a social worker be following up?

How has your ex been behaving since then? Contrite? Denial? How long has it been between the kids’ visits with their father? If possible, can you come up with a plausible excuse for cutting the next one short? I’d be just as concerned with their feelings about how their father lying about what happened.

I’m glad you’re not in shock or denial about your ex’s treatment of your son.

Although I don’t believe for a moment that your son was responsible in any way for his father’s violence, can your son (with possibly your older sons help) take more responsibility for managing his bowel issues? Of course I don’t know whats involved with this, and I would try to start at home and make it unrelated to going to his father’s house. I think this might accomplish two things - remove something that your ex might lose his temper over and -if he does become violent again - remove a sense of culpability from your son. Also, since you don’t know how strictly your ex follows the dr’s directions, if you could get your son to follow the directions it may improve his response to them or give you a better idea if their effectiveness.

I wish you all the best.

I’m sorry to hear it is the child protection service for your area. Sigh How frustrating!

Yeah, I know that stupid game. Even though you know it’s wrong, if you try to make a stand, they use it against you. That happened to me.

I wish you and your children the very best.

And personally, I would document everything from this incident just in case something else does occur in the future. Then you have everything easily accessible and without detail forgotten.

Mornea, the judge sealed the DCYF report and wouldn’t release it to my lawyer without her there–then she just conveniently wasn’t there for him to read it. I certainly don’t think that was intentional on her part, but it was/is very frustrating for me. All I know is that the judge told my lawyer the report says the allegations were unfounded and also told him that the restraining order wouldn’t be continued in light of that. Everytime he’s gone to court to read it, either she wasn’t there or was too busy for him to wait a couple of hours for her to unseal the report for him. He decided it would be best if we dropped the order in time for the boys to spend a little time with their dad–it makes me look cooperative. It’s been about a month since they’d seen him. It wasn’t supposed to last this long, but when we went to court earlier in the month, my ex’s lawyer was out sick that day and we had to continue the restraining order to another date. I suspect the allegations were termed unfounded because my son had no marks on him and my ex denied the incident outright.

No therapy has been ordered, but once things calm down a bit and we get back into the school routine, I’m going to look into it for my son. I, too, am worried about the effects of his father denying what happened to my son.

When I spoke with my ex to arrange this weekend’s visit, he was fine. It was almost as if nothing had happened. This is unusual. I was expecting some kind of attitude from him because that’s how he usually gets when I’ve questioned his parenting. But he was civil and pleasant. I kept our contact short and just made the necessary arrangements. Unfortunately, with the restraining order dropped, this means our divorce final stands–and that states that the boys have time with their dad. It’s quite a liberal agreement with no times or days spelled out. If I tried to restrict his access, I would have been in contempt of the order and my lawyer didn’t think it was a good idea to do that. We’ll be going back to court (hopefully soon!) to work out a more detailed visitation schedule.

My son is seven, but he’s a young seven if you know what I mean. He really can’t remember on his own to monitor his bowel movements–which is probably part of why he becomes impacted. The general course of treatment for encopresis is to clear out the impaction, and keep him on a regular course of a mild laxative for about a month to give his intestines time to shrink back to their pre-impaction size. When he’s all stretched out inside, his body isn’t able to send him the signals that he needs to use the toilet–this is how the accidents occur and also why they aren’t his fault. He dosen’t even know he’s going to have an accident until it’s already happened. But this past month, it’s been very easy to monitor him because he’s been with me all the time. So we put a chart on the fridge and he puts a star up every time he’s had a bowel movement. When the chart’s full and he’s been accident-free, he gets a special treat of his choosing. This has kept him motivated to go every day, but we still remind him throughout the day. Given that this needs daily monitoring, I have to trust my ex to follow through on the few days that my son is with him. And when he picked up the boys for the weekend, he did ask about medicine for Georgie, so we did discuss that and I just hope he kept to the schedule.

And plain_jane, I’ve been documenting everything for over a year now. This was the first (and hopefully the last!) violent incident, but I’ve been keeping track of the times he tried to talk the boys out of spending time with me or going on vacation with me–stuff like that.

Thank you everyone for all your support! It’s really helped me through this awful month. Now I’m just hoping that it’s all going to get better!

Lauramarlene again I’m going to tempt fate and play devil’s advocate: going from your description, your ex could easily have said to the judge, “Yes, my son crppd himself, so I put him in the shower quickly and cleaned him with hot water. Unfortunately, in my haste I accidentally bumped his head against the wall of the shower in my haste, for which I am very sorry, but it was an accident.”

Sounds reasonable, doesn’t it? It may actually be the truth. But equally, it may not. Remember that your children are predisposed to say what you like to hear. Remember that multiple perspectives may also be true. Remember also that this is how abusers get away with it. Remember that there’s past history between you and him.

They’re your children, and their upbringing is paramount, but take care before damning a man who may just be innocent, despite your ill feelings.

Has it happened before?

If he had just put him in the shower quickly that would have been one thing. He picked him up by his feet and swung him into the shower causing him to hit his head on the bottom track of the shower door.

My children didn’t come rushing to tell me this. My oldest simply said, “Georgie had an accident at daddy’s.” He is usually the one who tells me if Georgie has accidents because Georgie won’t tell me unless asked. When I asked Georgie about the accident he started to describe it to me. He said daddy was very angry with him and when he put him in the shower he hit his head on the bottom of the shower door. I didn’t understand this and asked him how he could have hit his head on the bottom of the shower–then the rest came out.

I did think long and hard about this. Again, if this had been a spanking, that would have been slightly different. I say slightly because no child should be physically punished for something he can’t control. I would have called and talked to him about it like I did the last time he punished Georgie for having an accident. I’m sorry, I just can’t see the other side of picking a 55lb seven year old up by his feet and swinging him into the shower.

And my ex’s response to the court wasn’t the situation you described, he flat out denied the incident took place. There is no “his version”, because he claims it never happened. I happen to believe my son for the reasons I’ve stated above, and my oldest didn’t see what happened in the bathroom, but he heard it all and told me what he heard.

My ex loves his kids. I do not doubt that. The boys need to spend time with their father because he loves them and they love him. But my ex obviously has a problem with his temper and he really needs to deal with that.

I do appreciate you playing devil’s advocate. It was my hope in starting this thread that I would see the other side of this–if there was one. But I’m only more certain now that I did the right thing. I just hope my ex is more careful about his temper in the future.

I think you’re doing the right thing, too, and I believe your children.

And we’re always here to listen to you!

Thanks, plain_jane,the support here has been a blessing! :slight_smile: