:dubious: Are you seriously claiming that there aren’t a lot of people criticizing Obama because they are racist? Do you live in a cave on Mars, perchance?
Nobody is claiming that racism is the only reason anybody ever criticizes Obama. But I don’t see how you can pretend that racism doesn’t play a big role in much of the criticism of Obama.
“Oh, the world’s not going to end! Stop being so melodramatic!”
Well, seriously. In the last 24 hours, Trump has threatened to start a trade war with Germany, he called NATO obsolete and said that the EU was a covert means of Germany controlling Europe. He has tossed a verbal bomb into Europe, threatening a stability that was created in the wake of World War II, which (coincidentally?) looks like Putin’s Christmas wishlist.
Now, maybe you think this is a good thing. But even from a neutral POV, Trump is signalling massive change, all before he even takes office. Surely even the fans of Trump can acknowledge that this is not just business as usual.
I think you need to take your objections about generalization and jumping to conclusions to Madmonk28, not me.
I’ll show you why (he says fully expecting the motivation for argument to be misrepresented)
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First I’ll point out that he used guilt by association as justification to call Clothahump and Octopus racists because Trump’s campaign was endorsed (an endorsement they strongly rejected) by the KKK and that Trump is a Birther. Using guilt by association to demonize people is bad enough but it’s worse than that, he wants to imply that Trump is a racist because the KKK endorsed his campaign, which is another layer of guilt by association (and ignores the fact that the Trump campaign rejected that endorsement). Also that Trump is a racist because he is a Birther, sorry to get rational, but being a Birther doesn’t make one a racist, sure it makes one as thick as two short planks, but a racist? not necessarily. Some people argued that John McCain wasn’t qualified to be president over a similar issue, was it racism then too? or is it that race is a separate issue on the matter of whether the place of birth of a candidate disqualifies him to become president of the U.S.A. and therefore you can’t say that arguing that point makes one a racist?
What Madmonk28 did there was prove Octopus correct, loaded terms are used to demonize opponents with callous disregard for what is true or not. I don’t like what someone says? I’ll just called them racist!, because they are Trump supporters (never mind whether they are not) and I think Trump is a racist, so there!, me right you wrong.
Since this is the pit it needs to be pointed out that Clothy did call Hispanics in Texas “wetbacks” at the Giraffe Boards.
Trump had no problem on keeping helpers that gave him or made racist and bigoted tweets. Nor do I remember seeing supporters like this one being fired by El Trompo:
AFAICR a lot had to do with the effort of showing how stupid the birther movement and Trump was in comparison; that is that the ones pointing out what was going on with McCain did not expect that much of anything would take place, in fact I think that a bipartisan statement was made in congress to confirm that McCain was a valid candidate regardless of him being born overseas.
No, the Birther movement had a racist reason to continue way past the time it should had expired.
Wow, you really like using the phrase “guilt by association” too bad it’s utter bullshit. Trump ran an openly racist campaign. He not only was endorsed by the Klan, he has a prominent white supremacist on his staff (Steve Bannon); has given interviews to radical fringe groups and used racist imagery from white supremacist sites in some of his ads. There are even recordings of people at his rallies screaming “nigger!” when Obama’s name is mentioned.
Similarly, supporting Trump is not guilt by association. It is an explicitly racist act. Trump ran on a campaign of overt racism and to try to coyly pretend that it was all just a big misunderstanding is bullshit. Own your fear, own your racism and own your president.
Here is the Democratic president saying what I’ve been saying, albeit a tad more eloquently. But please, carry on with your dishonesty. Who you fooling but the echo chamber?
There is indeed no evidence that Trump has stopped looking at unsavory sources to get not only Tweets, but his sorry view of the world. And the big problem here is that it is an issue that is bound to affect policy and the decisions that he will made during his presidency.
:rolleyes: Obama doesn’t say anything there about liberals allegedly “knowingly us[ing] loaded language deceptively”, which is what you claimed (with no specific evidence).
Sure, general advice along the lines of “hey, don’t be too oversensitive”, which is all that Obama is saying in that interview, is good advice. But you are drama-queening it up into some kind of pretended massive danger to free speech emanating from the left, with no particular evidence to support your claim. And that suggests that you’ve fallen for the alarmist bullshit of professed right-wing trolls like Yiannopoulos.
Speaking of whom, I notice that since I explained and cited the actual facts of the Yiannopoulos/UC Davis incident and his other behavior to you, you’ve stopped whinging about the anti-Yiannopoulos protests as a case of “the most violent mob decides what can be said” or “an angry mob through the threat of violence and destruction of property intimidates speakers and those who want to listen”.
If you don’t want to be further embarrassed by your Chicken-Little squawking in the future, you might want to stop getting your information from attention-whoring liars like him.
I never even mentioned Milo in this thread. Did I? Maybe I did, but I doubt it. The fact is that the left does engage in far more violence and other forms of suppression with regards to freedom of speech and freedom of the press. You folks are far from liberal in the classical definition of the word.
And I don’t get embarrassed by arguing with people in The Pit anymore than arguing with people in The Pit is intrinsically embarrassing.
Anyways, it’s not just me noticing the anti-liberalness of the left.
:dubious: You mean you were making all those sweeping generalizations without even an imaginary specific incident to substantiate them? Wow. I apologize for giving you too much credit.
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The fact is that the left does engage in far more violence and other forms of suppression with regards to freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
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What you don’t seem to be grasping is that your repeatedly asserting that this is a “fact” doesn’t actually make it so, especially when you can’t seem to provide evidence for it.
And no, this short list of unsubstantiated opinion pieces that you’re so proud of yourself for having googled does not in fact contain any such evidence. Let’s take a look at them:
An op-ed writer whining about the fact that another writer walked out during his speech at a writers’ festival, and many people later complained about its content. There appears to have been exactly zero violence or any other form of actual suppression directed at his speech.
Another op-ed writer analyzing a much-publicized university policy on “trigger warnings and safe spaces” as a public relations maneuver. Again, no mention whatsoever of any violence or any other form of actual suppression of free speech.
Another expression of opinion, this time by the President of the ACLU, also containing exactly zero allegations of any violence or any other form of actual suppression of free speech.
So, octopus, you have still provided exactly zero evidence for the alleged “fact” of liberal suppression of free speech that you claim to be so concerned about.
I’d just like to thank orcenio once again for digging up this incredible gem of hypocrisy from Clothahump. Well done!
EDIT: In case Clothy decides to take down the evidence of his own incredible hypocrisy, it’s a picture he posted after the 2012 election of a tombstone that says “The United States of America, 1776-2012”, and a wreath that says “I mourn the passing of my country”.
Well yeah, clearly. Your insistence that there was no real racism in the Trump campaign, or the birther movement were dead giveaways. Only a racist would intentionally turn a blind eye to such naked hate to justify their twisted world view. Deep down, I think you knew.