All right, let’s review our findings thus far.
[list=1][li]Rich G7subs, despite the disavowal in his subject line, immediately contradicts himself and demonstrates himself inarguably to be a raging homophobe.[/li]
[li]He confesses to assholishness and several other negative qualities. Or, at least, qualities which the overwhelming majority of the civilized world deems negative.[/li]
[li]He completely fails to pick up on the fact that EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the thread has slammed him and denied his initial proposition.[/li]
[li]He likewise fails to conclude, based on this massive collective attack, that perhaps there’s something just a teensy bit wrong with his stated (and re-stated) viewpoint.[/li]
[li]He maintains his original premise in the face of overwhelming denial and dozens of intelligent, well-written, and occasionally quite articulate and even moving (thanks, lissener) arguments to the contrary.[/li]
[li]He is, therefore, also demonstrably a total and utter moron.[/li]
[li]Further, he totally avoids any comment whatsoever on the suggestions of his own violently repressed urges, in particular the pants-wettingly funny crucifixion scenario (thanks again, lissener), and thereby demonstrates by his painfully careful evasion the high likelihood of the validity of that hypothesis.[/list=1][/li]So, lots of laffs, Rich G7subs, and I salute you even as I piss on your head. Ask not for whom the limp wrist tolls, scrotum breath, it tolls for thee.
Okay, Rich.
You CLAIM to be a Christian. Well, couple of things, if you will indulge me.
I AM a Christian, and I take issue with you on several points.
But, I will restrain myself and address just two.
First of all, whoever posted the thing about no sin being worse than any other sin was correct. IF homosexuality IS a sin, it is no worse than…say, being judgmental. Or excessive pride. Or being hateful. When YOU are perfect, you will have the right to judge other people for their lifestyles, their beliefs, their actions. As you have clearly demonstrated that you are NOT perfect, I have to assume that you have NO such right. And no, neither do I. However, I do not CLAIM to have the right to judge anyone, so I am not unduly worried about my salvation.
I also do NOT claim to have the answer to the question about whether it is a sin to be a homosexual. And, I really don’t care. It is not my business. I accept people for who they are, what kind of person they are, whether they are a GOOD person or not. Whether they care, and what they do about it. I do NOT care about who they are attracted to, or what they choose to do about it. It is NOT MY BUSINESS…it is THEIR business, and God’s business, and I assume that God and they will deal with each other as necessary.
Second of all…do you REALLY think that mispelling Christ makes it okay to take His name in vain? If you are truly a Christian, you know that no matter HOW you spell it, this is a sin. And furthermore, it is hypocritical. If you are going to run around calling yourself a “Christian,”, you had best start abiding by the beliefs stated in the Bible, and this is a VERY basic tenant. “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.” Doesn’t matter how you spell it, the intent was clear. “Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself” is another one you seem to have missed.
Now, as I said, it is not my place to judge you. And I am trying NOT to, really hard. (Not having much success at this point, I hope to get there eventually.) But…this message board is a family of sorts to me. And you are perpetuating this stereotype of the bigoted, nasty Christian.
It ticks me off, quite frankly.
We have enough of a problem with credibility here, without you trashing your faith (if real) by being a pompous, judgemental and unkind person.
If you feel the need to continue being a bigot, please don’t drag my faith into it.
Thank you.
Scotti
::: bows humbly at Scotti, with jaw dropped in awe :::
Beautiful job! 
Rich, aside from one bit of joshery with Freyr, which I assume he took in the spirit meant, I’ve avoided jumping in here.
But let us get very clear the proposition at hand.
People are different. Each of them has a wide range of interests, from stamp collecting to hangdiving, from autoasphyxiatory masturbation to gourmet cheffery.
Virtually every person has his or her own “attractants” – those to whom he or she feels sexually attracted. For a minority of the population, this constitutes or includes those of the same sex as the person being attracted.
There is in reality absolutely no connection between one’s sexuality and one’s other interests, other than in sitcom stereotypes done for amusement only.
This can include, as your OP mentioned, an interest, for a variety of reasons, in the secondary sexual characteristics of the sex one is not attracted to, if not bisexual. And the idea of posting here is to share knowledge and experiences with others, with the aim of fighting ignorance.
If you were reading the thread on breasts one-handed, you came to the wrong place – there are many more exciting archives of written porn on the Net, I am sure. But if, as I assume, you were reading it to see how the real-life people who post here individually feel about breasts, then having a gay person comment on his/her feelings about them, and about male pecs., should enlighten you, not repel you.
I do, however, confess to being a bit mystified as to why Scotti committed the rant she did (other than Rich’s “fer crissakes”) – are we assuming Rich is a homophobic Christian? I think it’s been established that he was totally unclear on the concept that gay people are normal people with other interests than stereotypically “gay” things, but the past four pages should have enlightened him on that. And he has been attempting, albeit slightly spastically, to clear the air and move on.
As, maybe, should we all…
Polycarp-
Perhaps I do owe Rich an apology. I did read the whole thread, and I confess that it DOES appear to me that he is a homophobe. However, it is not MY place to make THAT judgement, either. Thank you for reminding me of this.
So…I apologize, Rich.
Scotti
Gay people aren’t entitled to have opinions anymore?
No, not at all, KellyM. Sorry, but the gays of this board must confine themselves to the gay threads.
**Polycarp wrote:
Rich, aside from one bit of joshery with Freyr, which I assume he took in the spirit meant…**
Yes, I did…I simply haven’t figured out a sufficiently witty reply (what with my mind being only on sex with big, hairy masculine men. Especially those longhaired types, sporting beards and crowns of thorns, who are being tied to crosses and whipped by leather-clad Roman soldiers pant pant) so I simply let the remark pass.
You know, in fact, maybe we should make a separate board for all gay dopers-I mean, it is called the STRAIGHT Dope.
d&r
Why do all the madmen and madwomen come out to play every freaking time I’m out of the country?
Would it be too much trouble to ask the board admins to like offer some means to mark gay threads so we can tell when it’s ok to post? Maybe a 3D rotating pink triangle next to the thread title.
I wouldn’t want to offend someone, after all.
Where, oh where has my little Rich gone?
Where, oh where can he be . . .
Because they know that if they are to succeed at all (or at least fail less miserably), they must wait for the Dark Queen of the Unholy Lesbian Vampire Army of the Night to be away doing other . . . erm, away;)
Maybe Fierra should come stateside:)
Oh don’t worry - she is coming to Kansas City soon. And we will work on making Overland Park the site of the next Lesbian Sexual Olympics[sup]TM[/sup].
Are you taking applications for event judges yet?
Hmmm…another thread idea is coming to me…
It does make biathletes sound different, doesn’t it?
-Kate Clinton
He’s prolly out gay bashing right now, but what he doesn’t know is, while he’s out, I’m boffing his wife… in the backdoor.
sk8, you rule.