I'm SO sick of hearing "Trump voters are not bad people...we need to empathize with them". FUCK THAT

[kaylasdad99]

@greenmario

I think you’re misunderstanding my beef. Go back and look at the OP, who clearly did not hear the second half of Clinton’s deplorable comment. I’m arguing that its unreasonable to generalize Trump supporters when the Democratic Candidate herself said that there is nuance in their concerns.

Euphonious Polemic, from Clinton. “people who feel the government has let them down, the economy let them down, nobody cares about them.” She stressed that “[t]hose are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."

@SlackerInc

Oh, I heard it. She is one of the center-left people I am complaining about in my OP!

Then your OP is fundamentally flawed, because the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton are center-right.*

I wish people would stop ignoring that fact.
*The extra emphasis on “right” is an indication that they could all be MORE “center,” and “center-right” would lose none of its accuracy.

[kaylasdad99]

@Clothahump

We support Trump because we are far more concerned with Hillary’s felonies and lies than we are with something Trump said 10+ years ago that is being blown out of proportion because of frantic liberal desperation. In fact, if you have an IQ over 80 and you support Hillary, please stay home on election day, because you are too dumb to vote.

@Voyager

If he had just said that, he’d be morally reprehensible but only that. But the number of women who have come out and said he really did it - and there is evidence of them telling others about it when it occurred - shows he wasn’t lying about his actions.
I hadn’t realized that even you thought being a sexual predator was just fine.

He probably doesn’t; he’s just a moron.

[iiandyiiii]

@octopus

Why is that? Do all liberals get an official what to call The Party memo? And how exactly is Democrat an insult?

“Democrat party” is usually used as a slur (I’ve heard two reasons stated – because some folks don’t think that the party is really “democratic”, and some like to emphasize that it ends in “rat”). It’s not a huge deal, but it’s obnoxious to use a slur when folks have asked you not to.

[Quartz]

@KAndre

I’ve been reading this thread with interest…but the quote from the Bayou Renaissance Man blog caught my attention. I’ve seen that point of view before and the problem I have with it is that the rural life he described is just as artificial as the urban one. There is nothing particularly “natural” about a farmer, or a seed merchant, or heaven forbid, a farm machinery supplier. Urbanites are no more “divorced from reality” than suburbanites or rural people.

And both you and MrDibble have missed his point: country folk have a different perspective, they see things differently.

[kaylasdad99]

@Shodan

There’s nothing wrong with the current political climate in America that can’t be fixed with more name-calling.

Regards,
Shodan

@Sitnam

For fuck sake. I am now agreeing with Shodan, here.

Me, too! Let me do my part:

Shodan, you’re a putz.

There. All better!

[kaylasdad99]

@Waco

Who will the Left have to hate, and feel morally superior to, if those horrible Right Wingers all went away?

Snark all you want, but granting (for the sake of argument) your untenable implication that hating and feeling morally superior are the left’s raisons d’etre, there will still be the Democratic Party.

[MrDibble]

@Quartz

And both you and MrDibble have missed his point: country folk have a different perspective, they see things differently.

No, I get that - my point was that they see it “differently” in the same way we say “differently abled”

[Waco]

@Maastricht

Vox had an interesting think piece on exactly this question. Research shows that Trump resonates with voters for one reason, and one reason only: racism. Not because they’re economically left behind.

The next problem becomes: how do you take racism seriously? And does racism make someone a bad person?

The left says it does. The left sees racism as a deep moral failing, a character flaw, and also, as an intellectual mistake. That is a large part of the distaste for Trump and his voters.

Trumps voters themselves see racism not as a moral failing, but as a very deep moral obligation. An obligation to protect their own in-group from hostile “others”. They think it is both irresponsible and naive to say or do otherwise. And they get angry at the disdain they feel from the left for this stance.

The problem I see with this stance, is that the goalposts of who is the hostile other are emotional, and rooted in fear, not in fact. in the 80’ and 90’s, The “other” used to be an agressive urban black man you didn’t know personally if you lived in a rural place. Mid nineties it shifted to a Muslim terrorist, coming to the US under false pretenses. And since last month, it’s clown killers.

The task ahead, IMHO, is to adress the fear of others and expanding the in-group. again IMHO, that can’t be done by screaming that message over media Trump voters don’t listen to anyway. It has to be done by taking away the economical advantages and incentives for fearmongering by media. Any media, be it by local talk radio, regular media, or social media.

How that should be done is anyone’s guess. Suggestions are welcome.

This may come as a shock to you, but simply saying"research has been done" proves absolutely nothing. Who did the"research"?
Who funded said"research?
Are you that naive, or do you simply suck down any rumor that backs your opinions?

[Waco]

@kaylasdad99

Snark all you want, but granting (for the sake of argument) your untenable implication that hating and feeling morally superior are the left’s raisons d’etre, there will still be the Democratic Party.

As long as there are people who feel the need for moral superiority and hate, there will indeed be a Democrat party.
Now run along to your friends, and tell each other how smart you are, all snug in your moral and intellectual superiority.
Not too “snarky”, was I?

[Euphonious_Polemic]

@Waco

As long as there are people who feel the need for moral superiority and hate, there will indeed be a Democrat party.
Now run along to your friends, and tell each other how smart you are, all snug in your moral and intellectual superiority.
Not too “snarky”, was I?

Hello.

Just wondering what name you posted under before you were banned?

[iiandyiiii]

@Waco

As long as there are people who feel the need for moral superiority and hate, there will indeed be a Democrat party.

This fictional party sounds terrible. They certainly won’t get my support, were they to actually exist – I’ll continue to support the Democratic party.

[Waco]

@bucketybuck

Its the hypocrisy that astounds.

The hypocrisy of ignoring the Clinton’s long list of dubious actions is perhaps equally astounding.

[Czarcasm]

@Waco

As long as there are people who feel the need for moral superiority and hate, there will indeed be a Democrat party.

Is that the same “Democrat” Party you voted for in the last two presidential elections?

[Waco]

@iiandyiiii

This fictional party sounds terrible. They certainly won’t get my support, were they to actually exist – I’ll continue to support the Democratic party.

The fictional evil Republicans sound terrible as well, were they to actually exist.
Are you a Democrat, right or wrong?
As an independent I find rabid party affiliation fascinating.
My last two Presidential votes went to Obama.
As for this one, the only thing for sure is that I won’t be voting for Obama.

[Kobal2]

@elucidator

The radicals hack out the path and clear the site. Progressives build the cabins and the fireplaces. Liberals come along after the hot showers are installed.

Whereas Libertarians wait until the drugs and hookers infrastructure has solidified.

[Waco]

@Euphonious_Polemic

Hello.

Just wondering what name you posted under before you were banned?

As a good Democrat, I’m sure you think any person who doesn’t share your opinions should be banned.

[Czarcasm]

@Waco

The fictional evil Republicans sound terrible as well, were they to actually exist.
Are you a Democrat, right or wrong?
As an independent I find rabid party affiliation fascinating.
My last two Presidential votes went to Obama.
As for this one, the only thing for sure is that I won’t be voting for Obama.

The ones that slam mostly one side with slurs and innuendo then pretend they are undecided are so cute, aren’t they? Especially the ones that claim they are recent converts but can’t get stop themselves from using the base lingo of their real affiliation.

[Waco]

@Czarcasm

Is that the same “Democrat” Party you voted for in the last two presidential elections?

In this case I voted for the person, not necessarily the Party.
Democrats have some ideas, and ideals that speak to me, obviously.
But I’ve noticed that the party in power always goes too far, in some way or other.
The latest Democrat craze of demonizing all who dare voice any opposition,i find disquieting.
This trait was first seen, in my opinion, exhibited by the Republicans during the Reagan years, when Republicans thought they had a"mandate".

[Typo_Negative]

@Quartz

And both you and MrDibble have missed his point: country folk have a different perspective, they see things differently.

And we needed that pointed out by a city dweller from the Wall Street Journal?

[Waco]

@iiandyiiii

“Democrat party” is usually used as a slur (I’ve heard two reasons stated – because some folks don’t think that the party is really “democratic”, and some like to emphasize that it ends in “rat”). It’s not a huge deal, but it’s obnoxious to use a slur when folks have asked you not to.

Maine I’ll just call the Republicans the"Republic"party.