Ah, the fictitious “Hillary felony” crap again. Good people here have tried to educate you about how fucking stupid this is, but I see it did not stick.
Sorry buddy. I put you in the basket of stupid, stupid people who have been sucked into the Trumpesphere because they are too dim to understand they are being lied to.
You are being LIED TO. And you are too fucking stupid to understand that.
I think you may have misunderstood my post. I’m saying I don’t believe it’s “evil” to support more mainstream Republican candidates. But I’m not providing that warranty about those still supporting Trump, even after he has been shown to be someone who commits sexual violence. Even before that, so much of what he said was arguably beyond the pale, and notice that most of the Republicans I mentioned had already denounced him before the Access Hollywood tape came out; but this is IMO not even arguable at this point.
I would add that although I certainly am on the side of making people use toilets rather than open defecation, I don’t know that you can quite call it an open-and-shut case of objective truth. There are hundreds of millions of South Asians still pooping outside (generally not in the street, I don’t think), and they make arguments for the practice even if those arguments strike us as weak:
ETA: I thought it went without saying, but I’m starting to think maybe not: I never said, and am not saying, “You are a bad person unless you vote for Hillary”. I’m saying you’re a bad person if you support Trump. I would prefer everyone vote for Hillary, sure; but if you leave the presidential line blank or vote for Johnson or Stein or McMullin, I’m not talking about you.
Those seem like deplorable reasons to elect someone like Trump.
My Canadian sister passed on an absolutely glorious piece from a Canadian paper, marvelling that Trump still has any supporters at all:
This is a great takedown, a perfect illustration of my argument: there is no excuse for supporting this guy. However, the columnist still manages to at least partly fall into the trap of trying to understand his following rather than simply condemn them. In the end, though, he is right to conclude, after musing about trying to talk some sense into these people: “One might as well argue with the rain.”
What felonies, coward?
Be specific. Provide respected, reliable and unbiased cites, not your own worthless and juvenile opinion, gutless coward.
“Predator, schmedator, my taxes are too high!”
For fuck sake. I am now agreeing with Shodan, here.
What a strange reality this election has brought us to.
I both agree with the OP and his detractors. I think there’s something to be said in that we need to stop weakening morality and acting like these people aren’t actually awful. But, that does not preclude the need to empathize with them and understand where they are coming from. The second we stop, we’ve become them.
The OP himself has some “deplorable” qualities in him in how he treats the issue of Islam. A single issue voter with his view on Muslims would vote Trump. A part of what makes Trump deplorable is his bigotry towards Muslims.
And I do hold that there is a small group of people that are just beyond redemption–unless through supernatural means of some sort. I actually assign Trump to this group. Maybe if he were younger, there might be a chance, but there’s not one now. Our main goal is to limit his influence.
But I also know there are a lot more people who are not irredeemable, even if they currently are awful. I’ve seen too many people change. And I know too much about human nature to allow for any group of people to be put into a list of people who cannot be saved.
I do think we need to continue hammering home how wrong what they do is. I think shunning is actually a part of how society works, and is not taking away their freedom of speech. To this day, I think a lot of why the issue of racism is so much better is that being racist has become a taboo. Same with sexist. And hopefully soon with homophobia and transphobia. And then bigotry against the mentally ill or whatever other minority group. Bigotry becomes the taboo.
But I still say there can never, ever be a point where you lose all empathy. It’s one of the easiest things in the world to have–as long as you don’t let anger get in the way. And it so often is what saves people.
Those people you write off will not be saved. And, if there are enough of them, they can form their own group: and that is the alt-right, a problem in quite a few countries and now our own.
Well, considering that Trump now is telling their followers to ignore the polls and that he does not believe in them, it follows that Trump is painfully showing what an incompetent he is. Again.
Because he is missing a very important item that tells a politician where there is discontent and where he should concentrate to make bridges or to make efforts to get people to vote.
I’m OK with that.
Specifically, any of the angry customers described on this website.
What’s wrong with referring to rapists as rapists? Here’s the quote you are misinterpreting:
He’s saying that some of the people coming into the U.S. illegally are bringing drugs; some are bringing crime, some are rapists. It makes zero sense to say they he was implying that ALL Mexicans are rapists. Do you think they he was also saying that ALL Mexicans are bringing drugs? That ALL Mexicans are bringing crime? Your interpretation fails on two fronts. 1) He’s talking about subsets of Mexicans crossing the border, and he doesn’t try to say that ALL of them suffer from ALL the failings he mentions. 2) He certainly was not saying that ALL Mexicans are rapists. That’s just a forgive me, but a really dumb interpretation. He wasn’t calling the Mexicans who work for him rapists. He wasn’t calling the President of Mexico a rapist. He wasn’t calling—or even insulting that the law-anding school teachers, engineers, doctors, nurses, architects, small business owners, writers, pastry chefs, librarians, airplane pilots, cat mechanics, and millions of other Mexicans in Mexico City and elsewhere were rapists. No. That’s just ridiculous.
Keep raping that chicken, magellan.
Yeah! And Clinton killed a dude a while back! :rolleyes:
Cripes, Clothahump, even your insults don’t make any sense.
I don’t know (or, honestly, care all that much) whether Trump supporters are “redeemable”. I’m just assessing what they are right now, which is: not good.
Ha! That’s true. I just kind of skimmed over it the first time, but you’re right: it’s self-contradicting.
Well, A) he doesn’t refer to rapists as rapists. He refers to illegal immigrants as rapists. And that’s wrong because the vast majority of illegal immigrants are not, in fact, rapists. And B) he does, in fact, characterize Mexico as a whole in that quote, when he says, “Mexico sends its people,” which implicates Mexico, either as a political entity or as a people, as an active participant in the process of sending all these rapists and drug dealers to the US. Illegal immigration, he implies, isn’t just a problem of wealth inequalities and political instability. It’s an attack, and Mexico is the aggressor.
He does. But if we’re going to be fair (not that he would be fair to us, of course), he is indeed implicating the Mexican government in supposedly pulling a Mariel boatlift type deal (I don’t think it’s contested that in that case, Castro emptied jails and asylums to get rid of people he didn’t want and give Uncle Sam the finger, two birds with one stone). But he’s not characterizing Mexicans generally as rapists and so on. He’s really implying that the ones who stay behind are mostly good people (as are “some” of those crossing the border, he “assumes”).
Of course he’s not saying they are ALL raping and bringing in dope.
He’s saying ALMOST ALL of them are raping and bringing in dope. Plus, he assumes, a few good people. 5 or 6 % maybe? So, 94% raping dopers, at best.
You miss the point.
Honey and Vinegar kill the flies. Shit helps them.
Talk all you want. People act in their own best interest. Not yours.
Believing the lies of a con artist is in no one’s best interest.