Whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay, sorry about that. The post should say a true act of racism (regular white to black). In my rush I got it wrong. I was going to come back later (as in right now) and add that the same thing happened not two months later concerning a white man being shot (he lived) by a black man, the only apparent reason being that said white man was married to a black woman. This trial was not aired on Court TV, however they did mention it during the above “regular” racism trial. That explain it John? My apologies for the above error and fuck you for pointing it out. 
Really? There are STILL bigots in the world? You have got to pulling my leg, right? I mean, after all, can’t we just go over and beat the bloody hell out of anyone that doesn’t have the exact same opinion as we do? That we being the big “we” not the small part of “them”. Oh, wait, that’s bigoted, isn’t it? 
I hate to point this out but fighting ignorance or no, there will likely always be bigots. In here and elsewhere.
All you can do is try to get them to change their minds. Most times this is akin to bashing your own head in with a rock but it’s always worth a try.
And I found that thread funny, Rose. I think sometimes we take being PC a bit too far. Light up a little bit and recognize a joke for what it is Needs2know. There’s no problem with you thinking and posting that you thought it was in poor taste. But to keep harping on about it when so many other people are laughing is just giving them another thing to laugh about.
FWIW and IMHO: Reverse Racism – there is no such animal. Racism is racism. Like using the word “nigger” over and over and saying that you are trying to get folks to stop being racist.
That should be “lighten up” but maybe you should try to “light up” as well. Maybe a toke or two might help!
I say have a toke or two even if it doesn’t help.
One thing that pisses me off is when a someone says that a black man can’t be racist. Or when someone says that a woman can’t be sexist.
Or that a woman can’t rape.
Or that all sexual acts are rape. Who is it who says that again? She should have her vagina revoked. She’s not allowed to use it anymore.
–Tim
Homer – uh, who are you talking about? ALL sex is rape? WTF? And revoking her vagina wouldn’t matter if she thinks all sexual acts are rape; she obviously isn’t using it anyway.
Well Byz, you’re more than welcome to give it a shot…
FreakFreely – I know you are kidding because I have a feeling, a Freaky feeling, that you’d be more than willing.
But my honest, and no kidding point is that women can and do rape. There are women pedophiles who rape children. There are women who rape other women. And there are women who rape men. I wasn’t making fun. I was being serious. Women can and do rape. Just as racism isn’t a white only club. Just like sexism isn’t a male only club.
Well, I suppose it is possible. Although I don’t think it’s real common.
I think Homer is referring to Andrea Dworkin.
Well, I don’t know if it’s common or not, but I know it is almost never reported because of the ridicule men get. Can you just image it? Oh sure buddy, she FORCED you! Yeah, right! Most men and women don’t believe that men can be raped (by a woman) they seem to be okay with a man raping another man but not a woman raping a man.
Like, somehow, a woman can’t “force” your penis to be hard. ERNT! WRONG! That’s like a male rapists saying it wasn’t rape because the woman was wet. That’s a bodily function that you don’t have all that much mind control over. And a woman doesn’t need to get you “hard” to rape you. I won’t go into details but I think you get the gist of what I’m saying here.
ren – Good point! That could be who he was talking about; however, if it is, he should also dive into her bio; she’s not so “gung ho” feminist as she portrays herself. She’s got a writing past more vast than my own!
I’m back
Sorry it took so long to get back. I work nights and although I have access to the net at work, I just read there because outgoing mail is checked. They actually think we should only use it to contact our vendors and such.
N2K, I really don’t understand why you got so riled with me, I did tell you to have a nice day. And BTW, I’ve never owned a “heritage not hate” bumper sticker in my life, and I never said your OP was about the flag. I just said that it should be included in a generic, catch-all post.
It may surprise you to know that this lilly white southern redneck has a niece who is half black (fathers side) and several black friends, (sorry if the word black is not PC but my friends prefer it over Afro-American).
I shared this thread with her and her boyfriend (also black) tonight at work and they both got a kick out of it. She wants to know just who in hell elected you as their spokesperson. They seem to think that they can stand up for themselves (Imagine that, a poor downtrodden black person who can get along without you).
She said she could just picture coming to your house for a tupperware party, <n2k opens door, “Oh please come in, we’re all friends here, feel free to sit on the furniture and use the bathroom, we have colored towels”.>
I’m sure you’ll call me on this, so feel free to e-mail me. I have her permission to give you her phone number. She would love to tell you what she thinks of you and your self rightious attitude.
Personally, I think someone like you, who has such a superior attitude toward other races as to think that they can’t possably get along without someone like you to champion their cause, is the biggest racist of them all.
Again, have a nice day.
Obviously, you’ve never heard of taking ESL classes.
I can name four non-white, English-speaking countries off the top of my head-Belize, Guyana, India, and the Philippines, oh and South Africa, that’s five, plus the Aborigines of Australia and the Maoris of New Zealand also speak English. They have my blessing to move here and settle down. Again, English ability has nothing to do with skin color or economic status. Why don’t you and N2K start your own PC racist group? Fucking mush-brained liberal moron.
That’s rich coming from someone who has abandoned American citizenship. Go squick yourself sideways.
Hey I knew I’d get flamed for this one so what the hell. I am not insane by the way, maybe a just a little too idealistic. Do wish I could get over that.
As for being offended by the “Simmons/Lowell” thread…and not understanding your attitude GoBoy…If we weren’t poking fun at a couple of other guys on some anonymous vehicle like the internet…If some folks in a bar were poking fun at you because you appeared to be a little effeminate how would that be for you…The way I see it, it isn’t so much what we say it’s our tone, our general attitude. I guess for everyone else it’s a matter of degree. Sure laughing about Richard Simmons being a big sissy isn’t quite the same as standing by and watching a group of skin heads beat the shit out of some gay guy. But I’m thinking that if we start buying into sterotypes, if we start thinking that people’s differences are funny or something that they can always control…how long will it be before we become desensitized to the individuals who do hate people. I don’t want to pick up and news paper one morning and not be outraged when I see that a couple of bigots have dragged a black man down the road until his head popped off.
You’ve heard some of these people…some of them think that because some black people are predjudiced against whites it just might negate us feeling the same way about them. (Never mind that their reasons for disliking whites might have a little more basis.)
I also didn’t take any of the posts in any of those threads completely out of context. When I referenced the post about the Jews the example I was trying to make is that the whole debate had done nothing to further understanding. Those kinds of conversations start out bad and just get worse. Because their tone is one of frustration and misunderstanding to start out. I just don’t understand why black people have to “get over” anything. I’m thinking that they’d love to get over living in poverty. They’d love to get over sending their kids to lousy schools. They’d love to be able to drive to their girlfriends house on Saturday night without being hassled by the cops. They’d like to get over having the government set aside jobs for them. Try to strip people of their pride and they’ll react, often in a way that’s even more destructive to themselves. I can’t imagine what it would be like to be born knowing that I am automatically a lesser person in so many others eyes. It would piss me off too, because it just simply isn’t true.
I guess when it comes to some things I concede that I do come off a little self righteous. Like I’ve said before, I’m no brain surgeon, but I do think when it comes to trying to show compassion for others I’m doing the right thing. At least for me it’s part of who I am. At home I don’t allow my children to poke fun at others because of their differences. (We had a little problem for awhile there with my daughter calling her little brother a “faggot”. She didn’t get that at home obviously.) It worries me that despite my best efforts one day they will be to well influenced by the media and their peers who have been taught to hate others for the wrong reasons. I don’t want to get up one day and find my son has a shaved head and swasticka tattoo!
I understand some people’s frustrations. It isn’t like I live in a rosey vacumn and don’t come into contact with any of this. My own sister and my lovely brother-in-law are fundamentalist Christians. I quit attending their church because they wanted everyone to sign a petition to a congressman in another state when they had a bill on the docket to allow same sex marriage. My mother has a picture of Robert E. Lee in her dining room. She can’t stand blacks. She thinks they are trying to take over. Take over what I haven’t quite figured out yet. Take over our country is what I think she means. My other sister somehow offended one of her best friends, a gay man, at her own wedding. We haven’t figured out yet what happened and he never really filled us in. But one thing she had him pinning the corsages on the girls. He came to me and said…"I love her to death but just because I’m a gay hair dresser doesn’t mean I know how to do all this feminine shit. Do I have flames shooting out of my ass or what?..He was cute the girls all had about a dozen pins in their dresses by the time he was through.
Oh and Pepper how can you say that I showed bigotry against you as a member of the LDS church? Several times in that thread I explained to people that you were not prepared to answer questions about the controversies they had heard about your church. I cannot help it if I too had read a lot of what you call “anti-Mormon” propaganda. And not being a Mormon myself I think that it’s a little easier for me to see Joseph Smith and some of the policies of your church as being a little suspect. (as are the policies of most churches I’ve come to realize) But I have stated before that the every day Mormons are wonderful people and if they are happy in their beliefs then I’m happy for them. People who have something divine to believe in are usually happier, they say. (I wish I still believed.)
Oh well flame on guys…anyone else?
Needs2know
N2K, your heart is in the right place, so I don’t watn to flame you, but I feel I really should clear up a few misunderstandings
Why do you assume that if I’m gay, I must be effeminate? FYI, I’m a sports fan, I lift weights, and am a fully masculine man. Not all gay men are sissies. I think you’re still stereotyping people without realizing it.
Do you see why he was offended?
What makes you think all black folks are poor? What makes you think they all go to lousy schools? Some blacks are poor, so are some white folks, Latinos, and Asians. I detect a “de haute en bas” attitude, that the po’ downtrodden, African-Americans need a gracious white lady to help them. That smells mighty racist to me. Again, I know your heart is in the right place and you are against racism and prejudice, but you still have some unlearning to do. You can’t remove the speck from your brother’s eye until you remove the plank from your own.
[singing]
"Oh the white folks hate the black folks
And the black folks hate the white folks
To hate all but the right folks is an old established rule
But during National Brotherhood Week
National Brotherhood Week
New Yorkers love the Puerto Ricans 'cause it’s very chic
Stand up and shake the hand
Of someone you can’t stand
You can’t tolerate him if you tried…
Oh the Protestants hate the Catholics
And the Catholics hate the Protestants
And the Hindus hate the Moslems
And everbody hates the Jews!"
- Tom Lehrer, personal hero
I haven’t read the thread, but the premise sounds hilarious, particularly since I’ve witnessed and/or participated in such things many times. As I’ve often said, stereotypes exist because sometimes those attributes are true about some people, me included. Is it the nicest thing in the world to talk about? No. Is there hateful intent behind it? No. Does the humor beget homophobia? That’s open to debate, but contrary to your OP, I’d say on this board specifically it’s a big no.
If you’re referring to my thread about the photographed kiss between UncleBeer and Jodiah, then you really need to get that pole out of your ass.
Oh, yes, she had absolutely no positive impact on the gay community, Hollywood, television or lesbians whatsoever. :rolleyes:
Needs, honey, take a pill and relax this weekend.
Esprix
First of all GoBoy I didn’t say you were effeminate I thought I said “if you were” or something to that effect. We have a very dear and old friend that is effeminate and isn’t gay. But everyone who just meets him always asks me if he is gay. He loves women, in fact he’s gotten to be an old letch. (He’ll be 50 next week.) I also know that not all black people live in poverty, but very many of them do as do whites and hispanics and so on…I work with middle class African Americans. Their biggest concern is that here they are very much under represented in middle and upper level management positions. Big suprise huh! As for my darling Kyle of course he wasn’t offended by my sister asking him to be her Master of Ceremonies, he loves her and it was an honor. He was really joking about the corsage thing. Something did happen later on that evening during the reception though because he left abrubtly and never said goodbye. I though he might have gotten a little uncomfortable because my sister married a cop and the testosterone level was getting a little high as all the cops, firemen, and construction workers drank more. He and I danced several times. As a matter of fact he’s the only man I danced with that night. I told him not to set my new dress on fire! LOL
It’s true I’m just not alway rational or logical. I’m a person governed by my emotions. Sometime I still shed a tear for the memories of my childhood. I can remember exactly when I realized how sad it must be to be so different as to be black in a white enviornment. I was new at my school that year, 4th grade. I had never been to school with any black kids. There were 6 in the entire school that year. 3 in our grade level. Two of them in my class. The boy sat behind me. He never said a word. Never raised his hand, and didn’t do his work. Often he would send up his paper with only his name written at the top. He passed that year anyway. The girl was silent too. They both looked so sad and uncomfortable. The other kids never talked to them. I understood how they felt. Only a few kids talked to me. I was new, had a funny mid-western accent and was beginning to get chubby. (Something that has plaugued me my whole life now.) The following year in 5th grade my two best friends at school happened to be the poorest white girl in town and a black girl that lived in a shanty on the side of the road. I’ve always identified with outsiders, much to my mother’s consternation.
I know there are no absolutes in anything. (Death and taxes…stupid old adage.) I also know that I shouldn’t ever presume to tell a bunch of adults what I think is morally correct. I think somehow it did amaze me though that people with a lot more education and political knowledge would be outraged at things like affirmative action, black scholarships and other programs that are designed to try and help a group of people who have been kept down by the majority for so long. I know it suprised me to think of people making fun of others who are like them. Especially a people who belong to a group of people that are still struggling for acceptance by the rest of society. I thought it a little strange that you almost seemed to resent the two guys in question because they hadn’t “come out”. Guess I don’t know a whole lot about the predjudices and judgements that must exsist within the gay community. They must be there, blacks have them too. Oh well…I did learn something by this thread huh?
Needs2know…oh well at least you know you’d be welcome at my house for dinner and I’d blast anyone that insulted you! I am a pretty good cook too.