Straightforward. In most “vanilla” porn the sex is legit evidently. But what about BDSM/Fetish/Spanking? I cannot imagine that the performer would be expected to endure the punishment to the extent shown especially when you could put a blush on on somebody’s ass and be done with it.
No I don’t watch porn, what makes you think I do.
Who says the performer doesn’t enjoy it?
As someone who has been caned; for real and as a punishment, I am pretty sure that after about 6 strokes they only thing you will be enjoying is the session ending. (I got 17; threw a guy out of a window at school, what can I say, he was annoying me)
I’d say it’s both. Some are real, some are fake, depending on the performer and the production.
Dances with Werewolves (Memoirs of a Spanking Model) by Niki Flynn answers this pretty thoroughly.
There is most definitely a real subdivision to BDSM videos. Some of the models do it because they are into the lifestyle; some do it purely for the money. Flynn writes that she didn’t like the pain specifically, but had some need to be dominated and spanked, although that’s oversimplifying things. Actual sex was rare in these videos, incidentally.
As said above, this is a huge industry with I’m sure every possible variation from totally fake to serious damage. One firm, Elite Pain, was closed down for a while when the actresses complained that their safe words were being ignored but it seems to be operational again. NSFW to Google.
Of course it’s real.
That’s the whole point of BDSM.
What floor?
Of course they get it for real, there’s nothing lamer than pretend CP (um, that’s Corporal Punishment for you Yanks. I got into trouble once for saying I was really into CP, apparently it means Child Porn in some quarters. Yikes!)
I associate with several young ladies who can take a hell of a beating, far more than I can, and I’m a big gruff geezer, and they LOVE it. Some “like” thuddy sticks, some prefer thin whippy canes, I can take a leather strap all night long, everyone has different preferences and different tolerance of pain. I even know one woman who must have an arse made of rhino hide, she can be on the receiving end of an energetic, full-on thrashing, whilst strapped down, and will carry on a conversation with someone like she is hanging out her washing, punctuated by the odd “Ooh” or “Ah”. Absolutely hilarious to watch!
If you are well into the scene you are participating in, mentally, you can handle a lot more pain than you think, in fact it stops hurting, it’s like being high. It’s down to Endorphins, all the cliches about breaking through “the wall” are true, it’s difficult to describe how fantastic it feels.
Of course, some people can get to that “sub-space”, some people will simply hate being beaten and nothing will change that.
The aftermath might look dramatic, but once again, some people bruise easily, others need to be beaten very hard just to get to a nice rosy glow. Looking at the ravaged bum that’s been caned, flogged and strapped, it might seem impossible that anyone would go through that for anything, let alone fun. But, with a good application of Arnica, it will be unblemished in a couple of days for some. Some people develop “weak spots” and have to be careful, their skin will break if they get struck there. I guess this might be an advantage if someone wants to see somebody else “beaten till they bleed”, but it does nothing for me, I prefer a nice crimson backside, with the odd cane stripe!
My backside takes a couple of weeks for marks to fade, but then I’m just a kinky old dog, I’m not indulging in it all the time like some of my friends who are Pro-Subs ie. they get paid by people who want to give someone a damned good thrashing.
And although it’s sexually arousing for many people, no, there’s no sex on offer either - there’d be different kinds of beatings going on if anyone presumed that. The norm when seeing a Pro-Sub is that it’s not on the menu in any way shape or form, you pay to beat them, nothing more. I imagine it’s simply a job then, which is easier than working in a factory, and there may be the odd tingle of arousal with certain people or scenes.
Obviously, in different situations, say, for couples, or between people who have agreed that sex is the ultimate result, there will be that element to the play, but I know of no-one who mixes this with casual, paid-for beatings.
I know one or two that have made films, but they know the people who make them, know they aren’t going to be in any danger at all, and in fact they will end up having a laugh, a good day, a beating that might look dramatic but will probably be enjoyable and certainly bearable, and best of all, THEY GET PAID! A win for everyone, I say.
There seems to be a certain etiquette, or snobbery, as I see it, that BDSM and Sex are distinct and separate activities, and this is reflected in CP movies, very few feature Sex & Spanking (there, that’s the name of one company that does exactly what it says on the tin). Personally, I think it’s just pretentious BDSM tossers trying to be superior, they’ll be denying they masturbate next!
If it’s your thing, that which presses your buttons, watching a woman’s nicely beaten bum wriggling about should be arousing, no use denying it, or why watch it?
I’ll finish by saying that there is a market for the Extreme end of CP and BDSM films, generally made in Eastern Europe, but personally, they are not that appealing to me. There seem to be the same faces appearing, so I would imagine that there is no coercion, though it is possible that women in poorer nations will subject themself to beatings for absolutely nothing more than the money, with no interest in CP at all. That, to me, is exploitation, and I don’t think that’s acceptable at all, not when there are plenty of women who really do enjoy being beaten.
Then again, perhaps the companies involved deliberately play up to the image of them being harsh, severe beatings, which are not being enjoyed by the girls, to cater for the viewer who doesn’t like to see some of the well-known CP Starlets pretending they are getting a good hiding, when everyone knows they can take far far more and not flinch. (See, there’s a down-side to having a rhino-bum too!) Companies producing films are clever entities, they may very well be all above board and good employers, knowing that appearing to produce stuff that might be knife-edge and starring unwilling participants will appeal to those punters out there looking for something a little out of the ordinary. I think that any company that produces films on a legit basis (as opposed to being one bloke making film on his camcorder), has a web-site, and is a recognised commercial enterprise, is not going to last long if they genuinely abuse anyone, so there would be no point in all the marketing.
IIRC, Nikki Flynn did a shoot with Rigid East, one of the more extreme Eastern European companies which appeared to be on the edge of exploitation and non-consensual beatings, thus showing they were a “normal” video company rather than some shady villains abusing women for cash. I’m not sure it did them any favours, it popped the fantasy and ruined the mystique for those that relished that fantasy.
Anyway, it’s not really my place to say what other people should find arousing and what’s disgusting (provided there is no animals, kids or genuine unwilling participants involved), c’est la vie!
Zak Smith’s piece Barely Legal Whores Get Gang-F***ed, *an excerpt from his We Did Porn, is a a witty and smart answer for the OP. It takes down step by step an appearance of Sasha Grey–an articulate and well spoken porn star–on a Tyra Banks special on the horrors of the porn industry on its actors and associates. The Tyra Banks video is excerpted and posted, and one by Grey in response is also posted.
Grey is very much into S&M and her measured responses to Tyra’s deer-in-headlights looks are a joy. Particularly when Grey told her how in one scene she spontaneously asked an actor to punch her in the stomach.
*The article is published in Slate, in case you were worried. The author’s ironic title is even more spot on if the article is NSFW now, I guess.
With gay porn there is definitely hard core spanking to the point of blood being drawn.
I don’t doubt that there are people who enjoy being beaten or that people have different thresholds. My question is regards the extent of it in videos. A major beating can KILL and long term beatings can injure, so I had presumed that in the interests of economy they would not actually punish the performers to the extent seen.
Don’t presume to speak for what other people can and will accept, or what they enjoy.
Uh, yeah, it’s real. You see the severe bruises forming in real-time. What do you think they’re doing? Using CGI?
And it doesn’t matter if you don’t enjoy it and if you can’t imagine others enjoying it. People can and do enjoy it.
Oh sure, it’s all fun and games until it gets out of hand and Europe is plunged into thirty years of bloodshed.
The Second Defenestration of Prague launched the Thirty Years’ War.
I’d want to go to war too, if someone tossed me out of a window and into a moat full of shit!
But, my war would conclude when those who tossed me out of the window went out that very same window and landed in that same moat.
Strange that we actually have a word to describe that.
Why did they punish you for educating an annoying guy at school? 
I’m willing to bet that he was well behaved after. But, what school practiced caning as a punishment? I’m unaware of any that still did since the 1970’s.
I don’t know about caning, think that’s a U.K. thing, but the “Board of Education”, ie a paddle, is alive and well in some states today.
There’s one outfit, whose name I can’t recall offhand, that I’m convinced uses dummied-up implements made of some form of foam rubber. They administer what appear to be quite forceful spankings and floggings, and the impacts make a good, solid, satisfying noise, and yet the actresses on the receiving end are consistently unmarked afterward. At most, they’ll have a barely-noticeable pink blush. Either they managed to assemble a full stable of actresses who simply don’t mark easily (which would be remarkable, since they’re all pale-skinned Eastern Europeans), or there’s some fakery with the implements. It’s worth noting that this outfit rarely uses “hard” implements like wood paddles or canes - their “arsenal” seems to consist almost entirely of implements that are typically made of leather — straps, whips — which would be easier to fake with some more “gentle” material. Also, the actresses, after their punishments, usually have a demeanor that is more “indignant” than “in pain”.
They do, however, have one actress in their stable who almost always gets caned, rather than strapped or whipped, and she does show marks, but she also always appears to be thoroughly enjoying the whole “punishment”, judging by the smile on her face.
ETA: As far as visible marks, I’ll grant that the quality of the videos themselves seems to have an effect, since everything I’ve watched has been via the Internet, not DVDs. So the marks may be more visible in the absence of the compression necessary for streaming.