I recall some pundit saying the reason Bill Clinton testified he did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky was because - during his deposition, the question was clarified - he was presented with a list of activities that Ken Starr said were “sexual relations” and the woman performing oral sex was not on the list (neither were cigar tubes). So presumably Ken Starr and/or his wife had less active imaginations.
Whether that’s true or not, it sure is a keeper! 
Yes, nearly everyone I knew who married in that era did not wait until the wedding night. Quite a few had already lived together, in fact. The elders of that time were enraged about this, and many girls who had not waited, or had lived with their fiance prior to marriage were told, “We will not pay for your wedding!” That type of statement was a real threat at the time. “You can’t wear a white dress!” was another cry. As always, the young ones did as they liked. Living through a major cultural shift is interesting.
Maybe - or the lack of listing might be related to this
Our respondents were unambiguous in their characterization of oral-genital contact: Only 20% would classify this activity as having “had sex.” By contrast, in 19912 and again in 1999–2001,1 samples similar to ours expressed considerable ambivalence; 40% characterized oral-genital contact as having “had sex.”
Even in the 1991-2 study, 40 % considered oral sex to be sex - which means 60% didn’t.
Where did you live? We got married in 1978, and while we never lived together because we never lived close to each other, it was not an issue. Her parents kniew she came to visit me, and my parents naturally put us in the same bed when we visited.
I’m sure there were some places not so liberal. My college roommate, from Texas, never told his parents that he was living with his girlfriend.
It’s sematic depends on context argument. Like if I went on a date and took my date home and we did oral but didn’t go all the way. I might say (if I were one to kiss and tell which I am not) “I took her home and we fooled around but didn’t have sex.” On the other hand, if I were asked in that poll, I’d say that oral sex is sex.
Thanks for the new word, I had to look that up.
Sematic: serving as a warning of danger. Used of conspicuous colors of a poisonous or noxious animal.
We got married in 1981 after dating for two years and living together for six months. Our parents weren’t delighted about the moving in together, but it wasn’t a “cutting you out of the will” level thing. Mr. Legend’s parents did, however, ask us to keep it from his grandparents, and it was understood that I wouldn’t bring it up around my older relatives.
Someone has been talking to my exes.
yes, I caught mine from a grade school water fountain …
My first wife and I were good little Catholics and obeyed all the rules. We were married in 1956, didn’t know much about sex. Probably took 10 minutes or so to figure it out. No biggie.
I hope that’s not what she said.
Naw, ignorance was bliss.
A girl I once dated mentioned a story her parents told - nice Catholic folks, back about mid 50’s - one of their group was getting married. After the ceremony the couple went upstairs to change for the reception and it took them 3 hours to emerge. The presumption, the knowing nods and winks, was that one of the couple had said “not until we’re married!” I’m presuming it didn’t take them 2 hours and 45 minutes to figure things out.
The regular kind was so satisfying that we never tried anything else.
It’s not either/or Bro. 
I feel that yodeling in the canyon affords a particular level of intimacy. It is very personal, and the fluids that she produces are entirely pleasant to taste, IME. And she produces a lot – which can be an issue if it is followed directly with coitus: if you have whiskers, when you move up into position, the wetness becomes instantly ice cold and will drip on her, which may be sort of a buzzkill, so we find it helpful to keep a handtowel close by.
I lived among very traditional working class people, none who had been to college, church going, unsophisticated, and happy to remain so. I went to college, traveled, and my parents subscribed to magazines that opened up the world for me (my family did not fit in). I very well knew that it wasn’t frowned upon in such places, as say, CA or NY, but this was the midwest, the early 70s, and the strait laced attitudes of earlier times held on longer in such places. That changed by the late 70s to early 80s.
Thanks. I just thought of a good metric. Today I’m not sure most people would believe it, but there were strict rules about when and how long people of the opposite sex were allowed in dorms. MIT got rid of them just before I arrived, in 1968. My wife’s college in Virginia had them the first time I visited in 1972, but got rid of them during the 72 - 73 school year. Small town or big, I think colleges were mostly ahead of the curve.
That’s just poorly-written assembly instructions. Tab A should go into slot A.