In which I pit my step-daughter: just admit you did it (long, rambling)

Before I went to work today, I ran Spybot, Ad-Aware, and Window Washer to clean out my computer since I forgot to do so last night.

I come home today after work and fire up the computer. Before I have the chance to click on the browser (IE 6.0), a Zone Alarm request box pops up and wants to know if GMT (that’s Gator) can have access to the internet.

What the fuck?

I ask my step-daughter (age 21) if she had used the computer today, She says yes, she was getting cheat codes for a PS2 game (which is a minor rant by itself). I asked, “Did a dialog box pop up asking you if you wanted to download Gator?”

She says, “Yes”.

“Did you click on Yes?”

“No!”

I say, “You must have, because the computer is infected with it.”

She vehemently denies it. This is not the first time she’s done this. Last time it was Bonzi.

I run SpyBot and Ad-Aware again to flush out the Gator crap and restart the computer. I click on the IE and I get the dreaded “Page cannot be displyed” screen. What was funny (not ha-ha funny) was that Zone Alarm did not ask me for permission like it’s supposed to. I called Comcast (through which I have my cable modem) and they went through a few steps, but it didn’t help. If I turned off Zone Alarm, I could access the Net with IE. I dread the thought of trying to surf without ZA.

Luckily, I have Opera 7 as well. It has no problems getting through ZA. I then spent about 90 minutes copying all my bookmarks over.

I’ve sent an e-mail to Zone Labs hoping they will be able to help me fix the IE problem.

Back to the pitting. My step-daughhter is apparently incapable of doing anything wrong (to her, at least). She never stole money from her young brother, she never broke the Enterprise model sitting on top of a six-foot bookshelf by throwing a stuffed dog around the room, and she never, I mean never, clicked “yes” to download Gator (or Bonzi) on my computer.

If she were 8 or 9, I could understand the lying, but she’s a freakin’ adult. Sometimes. When she wants to do things she wants to do, she’s an adult. Whenever she’s caught doing something she’s not supposed to do or something somebody else wants her to do, she’s a child.

She is now officially permanently banned from my computer for any reason. She’ll whine that she needs to use it for school (part time college). Tough shit. She has my old computer running AOL (for which she pays). She claims, of course, that it locks up all the time and she can’t go to the sites she needs (all lies). When I let her use my computer for “school”, she ends up looking for MP3s or hunting stuff (yes, she’s a hunter), of some such non-school related sites.

She’ll go to her mother (whining like a child, of course) to appeal to me to let her use the computer again. In the past, I have relented. Not this time. I refuse to cater to her inability to accept responsibility for her actions anymore.

She complains about the conditions here. She pays no rent. Contributes nothing to the household. She comes and goes as she pleases (as long as she checks in from time to time). She does have a job. The only thing she has to pay for is AOL, her land line phone, and her share of the car insurance (after she sold the car I gave her and bought a new one, I insisted she pay the difference in the coverage). A couple of months ago, she got a $100 speeding ticket. This put her in financial straits with us (welcome to the real world). We allowed her to catch up as she could. What killed me was when she went out and bought yet more hunting stuff! She had no money to pay us, however.

My wife agrees that she needs to grow up, but refuses to put her foot down (the kids are the only trouble spot we have in our marriage). Whenever I do, she gets upset. I hate being in that situation.

I might lighten up on the computer access if my stepdaughter will just admit she downloaded Gator. However, I know her too well to even believe she’ll do this.

First, what’s wrong with cheat codes for games?

Second, maybe she did it and didn’t realize it. It’s happened to me.

Other than that, I agree with you.

I don’t know if Gator does it, but I believe some of these spyware companies set up their boxes so that “No” means “No, I don’t want to pass on this great offer, please install this now!” I think I remember some GQ threads about it.

Well, my daughter has been responsible for downloading and installing various sorts of crap on our computer, just through impatiently clickety-clicking the mouse, but her excuse is that she’s only 13.

You have my sympathy. They say the biggest cause of friction in a second marriage is the products of the first marriage. Was me, I’d boot her little user heinie out into the Real World, or at least charge her rent, but hey.

What’s the bloody point of the game if you’re just going to cheat? I personally think cheat codes are so named because they cheat the player out of a better gaming experience.

Doubtful. If she knew what it was, and knew about the dialog box, she knew what to do and what not to do. She wasn’t unaware, she just didn’t want to cop to it. My daughters do it all the time… difference is, they’re 8 and 10. Hopefully they’ll have grown out of it by the time they’re in college.

My sympathies, Mr. Blue Sky.

Point her to ebay. She can buy a cheap but good laptop that will be hers and hers alone. Then you don’t have to worry about her gooping up your stuff.

I’m with Guin, I’ve accidentally downloaded Gator before too. I absolutely didn’t want it and I’m not at all sure how it happened. Huzzah for Adaware.

I’ve managed to DL both Gator and Xupiter on separate occasions. I most definitely DID NOT want them and I know better than to click “yes” to strange downloads.

I think you have a lot of relevant stuff to pit your stepdaughter over, but I doubt she knowingly downloaded that crappy spyware.

It could be a game like The Sims, Avalonian, which is more FUN with cheat codes. Either way, it sounds like a stupid reason to complain.

But other than that, yes, I agree. My sister used to constantly try and sneak KaZaa onto my computer. No matter how many times I told her I didn’t want that shit on my computer. Thank god she got her own laptop.

Sheesh, why do you need to download any kind of junk to get codes? There are all kinds of sites that’ll gladly give them to you, no charge, no conditions.

Avalonian - Yo, you want to suffer through excruciatingly torturous levels, constantly running out of or not having stuff you need, and in general being utterly at the mercy of the game, go ahead. But don’t expect nebulous concepts like “complete game” or “the point of the game” to make me forget YEARS of torture from codeless games, all right? Others have tried.

Oh, uh, and I sympathize with what you’re going through. (Sorry, got a little sidetracked there…)

Well, what you call “torture” I call “playing the game as it was meant to be played.” Then again, what you call cheat codes I call “boring.” :wink:

Glory, I don’t think the OP is saying she downloaded Gator on purpose. The complaint is that, when confronted to it, she didn’t cop to doing it, even if by accident. Very familiar behavior, to me… and very frustrating. I can sympathize with his feelings completely.

If she had just said, “Yeah, I did it by accident… sorry,” we wouldn’t be seeing this Pitting.

Depends on the game. I found several levels of Warcraft III to be impossible without cheats. So I could “play it as it was meant to be played”, get pissed, and quit 5 levels in. Or play however I want since I paid $50 for it and enjoy myself.

Maybe she didn’t realize it?

Nothing wrong with cheat codes. It’s the only thing that keeps most of the Final Fantasy games interesting long enough to finish off the plot. And plenty of other games have points which are unentertaining that are best rushed through. There’s no legal issues involved, moral issues are debatable and certainly inconsequential. She wants to download em, that’s fer deal. Just tell her to go to gamefaqs.com or some other reputable location instead of Googling for em through warez sites.

And it’s perfectly possible to install spyware without clicking “yes” at any point if you’re using IE. Happened to me all the time before I switched to Mozilla. I mean, these people are tapping your computer with a program which is, despite hand waving to the contrary, a virus. It’s not like they have some ethical code they go by. They only pop up a confirmation window if they can’t find a way to bypass it, and even then they’re not above rigging it to confirm no matter what.
PS- Never get into a shoving match with someone who’s been on your computer. It’s only a matter of time before she gets it in her head to blackmail you with your porn, and then she owns you.

Mr. Blue Sky, I think I’d ease up on the Gator thing. The only reason I say that is because some people (myself abso-freaking-lutely included) simply do not know how spyware works, and it just ends up on the computer without you knowing how it got there.

I still don’t know how it works, to be honest. But I do know that today I downloaded SpyBot and Ad-Aware, on the advice of a couple of Dopers. And today is the first time in months that my computer is actually performing the way it’s supposed to. Doesn’t say much for my intelligence, I know, but spyware is some sneaky shit, and seriously, it really can get into your system without your knowledge.

The rest of your complaints about your stepdaughter, though…totally legit.

Is this Windows XP? Does she have an administrator’s account?

I’ve never had to mess with it personally, but don’t restricted accounts prevent installing software?

Oops forgot this was the pit…

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I run ad-aware, spybot, and Proximitron, and have a fucking firewall. I only go to webpages like the straight dope and livejournal and I still get infected with Gator shit. I can appreciate there are some underlying issues and this is probably just the straw that broke the camel’s back, but still, spyware is designed to get onto your computer without you knowing it. If she’s not computer savvy, she may not have noticed at all, and then felt like you were yelling at her for no apparent reason.
As for “cheats”, well, you can pry my Final Fantasy walkthrough from my cold dead hands…

My girlfriend and I were bemused by a coworker of hers that was attempting FFX-2 without using the strategy guide or walkthroughs or anything. He finally broke down and decided to use them, only to restart the game cause he missed so much.

I’ve watched her on the computer before. She’s is such a hurry to do whatever it is she wants to do, she just clicks on anything that gets in the way. She won’t listen whenever I try to help because she knows everything :rolleyes:.

As for the cheat codes: she (and her brother) got new games for Christmas and wanted the cheat codes before they even opened the fucking box! I ask them, “Have you even tried to play the game yet?”

I could understand if you’ve played the game and just can’t figure out certain parts, but if you’re going to use cheat codes throughout the whole game, just find someone who can play the game all the way through and videotape it and watch it like a movie. That’ll save you all the trouble of thinking.

As for the original pitting: she and her brother are a lot alike in this respect. Their father wasn’t much on discipline and their mother “doesn’t like confrontation” - she’d rather have peace. Whenever I would try to discipline them (no, I wasn’t doing it to get my jollies, they needed it), she would go behind me and cancel out whatever I had done. My wife understands my dilemma, but won’t do anything about it.

I had a thread a couple of years ago about my stepson smoking in which I compared him to my younger brother. Several Dopers suggested I was over-reacting, but he continues down the path my brother has travelled.

I continue to suffer in silence on this subject.