In Which Shodan (Allegedly) Pits a Predator

The BBQ Pit
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Shodan IME, you are still wrong about your assumption wrt “it must have happened while he was an adult” still. You know I work w/offenders. I’ve known when juvenile records were sealed. and when they’ve been expunged. you’re making an unwarrented assumption.
I listed several behaviors that result in sex offenses. the 16 y;o plus 15 y/o would ben included in your statute language, I believe; and teh party groping would as well.

And, you’re assuming that these cases are also true, therefore the prior one was an accurate predictor.

A. “an accurate predictor” would, in general, mean that the situation would be “in (pick some large percentage) of cases where A occurs, B then also occurs at a later date”. What I’m pointing out to you is that lots of these cases are not ‘accurate predictors’ of future sexual offenses.

It may happen in some small percentage of cases, but that doesn’t change that the original thing isn’t an ‘accurate predictor’. For example - there’s some reasearch that suggests that a great number/percentage of serial killers wet the bed (and several other factors). but that doesn’t mean that bed wetting in an of itself becomes an ‘accurate predictor’ of future serial killerness.

and you, indeed are doing the lumping. you’re assuming that the charges are correct in this case as well. I started this out w/two cases locally where criminal charges were filed and the man was actually innocent. Not necessarily simply 'found not guilty" (in the one case where it did go to trial, remember the juror foreman who heard all the evidence in court made a public statemetn that the charges should never have been filed. In that case, I happened to have known the teacher involved, but more importantly, my son also knew the accusor. She’d had a long history of absurd factually untrue sexually based claims. )

If it’s true, he should be held responsible. But, that doesn’t mean that any of your other assumptions are true. including the ‘never should have something expunged’ one. MHO, ME etc. YMOV. I hope you’re never in a situation where you regret this stance you’re taking.

The hysteria that follows these sorts of accusations and crimes is pretty fucking scarey to me. Rationality has gone out the window.

I’m bowing out of this. I wish you the best. I hope, for your sake, that you insist on having another adult present whenever you’re w/ your child and her friends.

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Don’t be asinine.

Regards.
Shodan

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I know of the case you’re talking about, and I won’t out your location.

It is rather confounding that this person passed a background check before working for the school system.

But what’s really unbelievable to me is that the father of the then 14-year old girl was aware of “the date” and actually allowed his daughter to “go out” with the guy.

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Like you, I can understand the first. I cannot understand the second. Didn’t this set off any bells in his mind?

:shudders:

I have enough trouble when other fourteen-year-olds want to date my daughter. A forty-two year old?

Regards,
Shodan

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Poetic justice.

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Underlining mine.

Based on your last sentence- indeed it has.

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Do you really feel that Shodan is acting irrationally by asking his daughter what she knows about the teacher? Or is he being irrational by starting a pit thread? Or did you simply mean that sometimes people react irrationally in these circumstances? If so, how do you THINK people are going to react when they find out their children have been violated by the very people who are charged with their education and protection 8 hours a day? Let me assure you that if something happened to one of my little girls, my actions would definitely be considered irrational by some given the opportunity. When kids lives and mental well-being are on the line, mommas and daddys become Momma Bear and Papa Bear.

If your last sentence means what it seems to imply, my opinion of you was just lowered 100 fold.

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jesus fucking christ.
I had hoped to stay out of this but if people are misinterpreting me to this fucking degree.

I do not blame any one from attempting to protect their child.
I did state, and do believe that it is not always wrong to set aside such convictions, I have seen in my professional career, and personl life any number of events that fit the descriptions of such criminal events that don’t mean the person will continue to commit further crimes.

and, since folks have seemed to misinterpret my final line - if you read my prior posts about false accusations which should never have resulted in criminal chargess, yet did , ruining two mens lives (not to mention their families) - what I am suggesting to Shodan (and any adult male) is to be cautios about being around folks w/o a witness, How could you prove you didn’t do something? and that’s what you’d have to do. that’s what those two men I spoke of had to attempt to do.

I hope none of you ever have to discover how difficult that is.

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I think she meant that I was being irrational by talking with my daughter and her friend about this person without a witness present, lest I be accused of molesting either my daughter or her friend.

So I don’t think you are misinterpreting wring at all. She made the suggestion as a Parthian shot to cover her retreat from a thread where her notions of fifth degree sexual assault meant “running a phone sex line” weren’t going over terribly well.

wring -

The notion that I have to be careful to have a witness present when I talk to my daughter and her friends is so stupid as to verge on the offensive. There have been near-daily instances of my being left alone with my daughter and her friends. The notion that this puts me at risk for false accusations of sexual molestation because a predator took advantage of his position in the schools to seduce the daughters of the unworthy is too wild an exaggeration to merit anything more than contemptuous dismissal.

You would have done better to leave the thread as promised.

Regards,
Shodan

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A friend of mine who’s an attorney, both as a prosecutor and as a defense attorney does that (refuses to be alone w/some one else’s child). Because he knows exactly how easily a false accusation can happen. He’s seen it happen. I detailed two cases where it did happen to people in my area and false charges were levied, ruining their lives. We routinely insure that males on my team are not escorting female clients alone for the **staff’**s safety.

and Shodan you’re absolutely fucking wrong in your accusation that I only offered running the sex phone line as an example of your states crime of 5th degree. I offered the sex phone line as an example of an offense on MY state’s registry. (becasue it was true) I offered several times, several different types of cases that could potentially fit the 5th degree statute you described. The fact that you continue to refuse to address the others that I did post as examples of your states and continue to falsely state that I indicated the sex phone line as part of your state’s gig says more about your lack of clarity than anything else.

You wish to take offense at my suggestion that any male should be careful in their dealings w/young females - go right ahead. It’s advice I’ve given every male I care about.

I was wrong to attempt to quit the thread.

if this guy is guilty, I would hope that convictions would result and appropriate sanctions. IF he’s found not guilty (as happened w/the two guys I posted about), I’m concerned that people will continue to treat them as if accusations were true. As I mentioned, in the two cases I knew about, one of the guys died due to the stress of the false accusation. the young female who intentionally lied about the man will grow up and her record will be sealed, since she was a juvenile at the time. in the other case, the man lost his job, his children and spouse suffered daily from people who chose to believe that an accusation was the exact same thing as a conviction and made their lives a living hell. But it’s all ok if some innocent parties get caught up, apparently. Oh, I’m sorry, the word was ‘alledgedly’, right?

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Queen Enid was fond of this word.

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I didn’t say you "only’ did, you moron. It was the first thing you mentioned as an example of fifth-degree sexual assault.And it was bullshit.

Cripes, you’re a fucking idiot. My very first response to you was as follows:

And guess what? That is exactly what the statutes in my state say it was.

Only if you enjoy embarassing yourself in public.

Cite one instance where I stated or implied anything of the sort. You absolute dolt.

No, it’s not, you half-wit. Learn to spell, for heaven’s sake. It’s not like you don’t have any examples of the darn word.

Regards,
Shodan

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Shodan:
So is there any new developments? Have things settled themselves out yet?

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No, it has sort of dropped off the front page. It is more or less grinding its way thru the court system.

As far as I am concerned, now that my daughter is no longer at risk, things are as settled as they can reasonably be expected to be. Although I am bound to say that her junior high school has been entirely straightforward in their dealings with [del]the bloodthirsty mob[/del] concerned parents like me - no hint of damage control, no defensiveness at all. I think his primary involvement was at another junior high in the area.

Regards,
Shodan