In which Stoid (The Prosecutor) Cross-examines Bricker (George Zimmerman)

[brazil84]

@brazil84

That’s not what I was asking. Obviously you will eventually stop asking questions. I’m just wondering if you will explicitly say so when you do. i.e. whether you will say something like “I have no further questions.”

To answer my own question, it looks as though Stoid will continue to insist that she has more questions Real Soon Now.

[G-SE]

Stoid, you failed. Admit it. Move on.

And thank the jury for their time.

[TokyoBayer]

@Alan_Smithee

Is the prosecutor missing?

She was, your honor but some people have been in contact with her.

Is the prosecutor sitting at home refusing to answer the door?

The latest information is that she was looking around in the evidence closet, and saying “I’ll find it.”

What is the DA’s office saying? Are they refusing to pick up the phone? What happens when you send someone over?

As you remember, your honor, this trial is being conducted by the Attorney General herself, so the DA office can’t override her.

What is the governor’s office saying? Has a legislative committee been convened to determine why the DA and the governor are conspiring to stonewall the court? A prosecutor doesn’t just not show up without someone doing something.

Yes, your honor, we have called the governor’s office and they are looking to see if they can do anything. We don’t know at this very second.

Meanwhile, I’m sure the defense would have moved for a mistrial, but if there is the possibility that, say, the entire state bureaucracy has been shut down due a plague, or that terrorists are holding the governor hostage, I’d imagine the court would want to find that out before ruling.

Good news, you honor. There isn’t a plague or aren’t any terrorists. The prosecution simply wants to suspend the trial until more evidence is found.

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IANAL, but I doubt the courts would agree. The time to decide if you have enough evidence is before trial, not midway through.

@Cheshire_Human

Although I believe that Zimmerman is more likely than Martin to have initiated the violence by trying to unlawfully restrain Martin, having known many (and once having been one) 17 YO males, I can easily conceive of several scenarios (that are reasonably likely) which would have made Martin the aggressor, and thus make Zimmerman factually innocent.

This has been an interesting experiment, and I think the thread has been educational. I had thought that Zimmerman was likely to be guilty of manslaughter if it weren’t for the SYG law, but I can see a case where he may not have been. Since we don’t have all the evidence, I think this is yet another reminder that it’s easy to make a quick decision based on only partial evidence.

@Bricker

It should be pretty clear by now that this law has some unintended consequences, and needs to be re-framed.

Unfortunately understanding the need to re-frame the law, and hopefully actually changing it in Florida and other states may be the only good thing which will come out of this.

[DrDeth]

@Alan_Smithee

Come on Stoid. There’s been some fun at your expense, but there’s also been honest criticism. I certainly haven’t been dismissive or derisive, and I have been interested in the process. But quite honestly, I find myself in the same situation as Left Hand of Dorkness in being less convinced of Zimmerman’s guilt than I was before this started. So in that respect, I think it’s fair to say that you’ve failed in achieving your goal so far. There’s no shame in trying and failing, but around here, there’s plenty of mockery! It’s the internet, what did you expect?

Anyway, while there’s no shame in failing, there is shame in failing to concede when you’ve lost. You set this up as a public debate, and so ultimately, I think you have to accept the judgment of the public in this thread. You don’t have to agree with it, and you can make a case for why the public is wrong, but you can’t act as though we’re invading your thread when we give you our judgment, and it would be dishonorable to say that because the jury hasn’t been swayed by your case that the whole thing is just called off. If you have more to say, then you should say it or at least tell us when you have time to say it. You started this thread, and you should let us know what we can expect and when you are done making your case. If you just yell at us for being insufficiently reverent or sneak away and hope the thread drops off the page, people will make reasonable (and in some cases unreasonable, but you can’t help that) inferences about your character and integrity in pursuing this.

And, let us face it. Altho you did have most the facts and public opinion on your side, you were up against a professional. No shame in losing to Bricker.

[TokyoBayer]

@DrDeth

And, let us face it. Altho you did have most the facts and public opinion on your side, you were up against a professional. No shame in losing to Bricker.

Which was pointed out several pages back, that this wasn’t a fair contest. A non-lawyer is going to lose to an attorney in moot courts.

It was also noted that this forum benefits the defense, as Zimmerman is allowed all the time in the world to think about his answers and would be very difficult to get the defense flustered, which I would assume would be one of the only ways to really shake out someone lying since there aren’t many facts known.

[brazil84]

@Stoid

the data examination is a little intense and time suckish.

Seems to me that a prosecutor (or mock prosecutor) should carefully examine the data BEFORE making up his or her mind.

[raspberry_hunter]

@Alan_Smithee

But quite honestly, I find myself in the same situation as Left Hand of Dorkness in being less convinced of Zimmerman’s guilt than I was before this started. So in that respect, I think it’s fair to say that you’ve failed in achieving your goal so far.

I haven’t participated in the thread at all up until now, but this sums up my feelings exactly.

[Alan_Smithee]

@Alan Smithee

If you have more to say, then you should say it or at least tell us when you have time to say it.

@Stoid

I shall.

I interpreted this as meaning that you would, in fact, say what more you had to say or else tell us when you would have time to say it. Perhaps you meant that you do not have any more to say, but that if you ever did, you would be sure to say it?

[hajario]

@Stoid

When we’ve done the screaming part, along with the rest. But the screaming part is critical: it’s the steamiest of all the horseshit.

OK. Let’s get to it.

[brazil84]

@Alan_Smithee

I interpreted this as meaning that you would, in fact, say what more you had to say or else tell us when you would have time to say it. Perhaps you meant that you do not have any more to say, but that if you ever did, you would be sure to say it?

It’s not entirely clear what Stoid’s position is on this issue. I think the problem is that she doesn’t have any more questions but she doesn’t want to admit it to herself or others.

[TokyoBayer]

@hajario

@Stoid

When we’ve done the screaming part, along with the rest. But the screaming part is critical: it’s the steamiest of all the horseshit.

OK. Let’s get to it.

In a real court, you can’t convect people with evidence that you say you have. It is one thing to say something is horseshit in IMHO, which, as a number of posters have asserted, may not even rise to the level of backing which is in GD, but both of which fail to register on the level required for even a moot trail.

Since this was your claim from the previous tread, then it’s time to fish to cut bait.

[Alan_Smithee]

Still resting? You’ve had supporters as well as critics in this thread, and several people who said that the thread has helped them understand the case better. The one thing that has been said repeatedly and that no one has disputed, however, is that the worst thing you could do would be to simply abandon this thread without telling everyone what’s going on. And it seems that’s exactly what you’ve done.

If real life has intruded and you no longer have time to continue this, hey, it happens, but the courteous thing is to let us know.

[brazil84]

Well it seems as if some more information has trickled in.

It seems that “the medical examiner found two injuries on Martin’s body: The fatal gunshot wound and broken skin on his knuckles.”

I think Bricker should be a good sport and let Stoid use that information in her questioning.

It will be interesting to see how Zimmerman is able to justify repeatedly striking Martin’s knuckles with his nose.

[Alan_Smithee]

It looks like Stoid hasn’t been on line in a week. Anyone know what’s happening with her?

[Nzinga_Seated]

@Alan_Smithee

Still resting? You’ve had supporters as well as critics in this thread, and several people who said that the thread has helped them understand the case better. The one thing that has been said repeatedly and that no one has disputed, however, is that the worst thing you could do would be to simply abandon this thread without telling everyone what’s going on. And it seems that’s exactly what you’ve done.

If real life has intruded and you no longer have time to continue this, hey, it happens, but the courteous thing is to let us know.

Dang, dude. She hasn’t been on line. Perhaps she didn’t realize what a great freakin’ responsibility her fun little thread would be.

[Alan_Smithee]

@Nzinga_Seated

Dang, dude. She hasn’t been on line. Perhaps she didn’t realize what a great freakin’ responsibility her fun little thread would be.

I noticed that and just posted about it. I’m sorry I didn’t think to check her posting history sooner. Since she’s usually active on the board and the last thing she said here was promising to say whatever else she had to say, I don’t think it’s horribly rude of me to ask what’s happening when she doesn’t follow up. I’ve let threads drop in the middle of a discussion due to laziness or distractions, but I feel guilty about it when I realize. I certainly wouldn’t object to anyone asking why. In fact, it would reassure me that someone cared about what I had to say.

[pulykamell]

More updates:

The evidence — released by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey’s office late Thursday — includes a photocopy of a picture taken of George Zimmerman at the scene of the shooting. In it, he has a bloody nose.

Sanford Officer Michael Wagner pulled out his personal iPhone, he wrote in his report, and shot a photo of Zimmerman’s bloody nose. It appeared to him, Mead wrote in his report, that Zimmerman’s nose was broken.

“I also saw that the back of Zimmerman’s head was also bloodied,” Wagner wrote.

[…]

One resident told the investigator that he heard a commotion and when he investigated, "he witnessed a black male, wearing a dark colored “hoodie” on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help. He elaborated by stating that black male was mounted on the white or Hispanic male and throwing punches “MMA (mixed martial arts) style.” He stated he yelled out to the two individuals that he was going to call the police. He then heard a “pop.” He stated that after hearing the “pop,” he observed the person he had previously observed on top of the other person (the black male wearing the hoodie) laid out on the grass.

The plot thickens.

[What_the]

So did Bricker officicially win yet?

I hate these humongous threads that start out when one side is on their high horse and then facts come out that get buried in page 5.

Now, I’m not suggesting any new rules but if you all really want to fight ignorance something should be done to discourage threads that get too long and off track. I realize this isn’t a good example since it’s probably as on track as any eight-page thread could be.

[DrDeth]

Wow,** Bricker**, you not only won, but “Stoid has left the building”.:eek:

[brazil84]

@What_the

So did Bricker officicially win yet?

Well Stoid posted to the board yesterday. So it definitely seems like she has given up.