Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (no major spoilers in OP)

Just got back from a company-sponsored advance screening. Following is a review free of significant spoilers. Also, for the benefit of those who haven’t seen it and just want to know how it is, I’m proposing we keep things spoiler-free (or boxed) for, say, the first page (i.e. 50 posts), but after page one, we can dispense with the spoiler boxes. That way, those who haven’t seen it will know when they can bail out, and those who have seen it won’t need to wonder about continuing to divide their posts into boxed and unboxed sections. Sound good?

Okay. Onward.

My grade: B, but the more I think about it, the more it’s drifting toward a B-minus. It’s fun, and it’s a decent entry in the series, but it’s got some serious flaws. It’ll get flamed as “worst sequel ever” by overcaffeinated netmonkeys, but they’re wrong. It may be a bit of a letdown if you’ve been drooling for it, but treat it as a lark, and you’ll have an adequately entertaining experience.

One major advance fear that does not materialize is a continuation of the decade-long somnambulism of Harrison Ford. He’s still got it as Indy. He has the smirk, and the steely glare, and he handles himself well during the action scenes. Given his recent film work, there was some concern that he’d phone this one in, but be assured, he’s as good here as you want him to be.

Another worrisome element was the introduction of Shia LaBeouf, apparently, from the previews, playing some sort of motorcycle-riding tough-guy teenager. Yes, he’s a trendy up-and-coming star, and yes, the character is extremely goofy. Nevertheless, LaBeouf pretty much pulls it off, at least as far as it’s possible to do so. He gets saddled with a couple of the movie’s lamest moments, but he still manages, ultimately, to emerge as one of its most enjoyable characters. He’s obviously having a great time, and it’s not hard to have fun with him.

Also satisfactory is Cate Blanchett, playing a very strange villain. She’s basically asked to mug for the camera and twirl a nonexistent mustache, not to mention affecting a goofball Natasha Fatale accent; she strikes the balance between cartoon and menace just right. In the end, the character is underwritten (more on this in a moment), but Blanchett isn’t the problem.

Another advance concern was whether Spielberg would still have it in him to execute a big, flashy, essentially simple-minded summer thrill ride. He hasn’t done anything like this since the first Jurassic Park sequel, having been occupied with straight serious movies like Munich in between genre blockbusters tinged heavily with darkness (War of the Worlds). Would he sleepwalk through a movie he doesn’t really care about, or would he re-engage with the material? As it turns out, just like Ford, Spielberg gets right back on this horse. He knows exactly how to stage an action scene, how to develop it, how to escalate the chaos and multiply and weave the separate threads, before tying the scene up into a satisfying climax. His fingerprints are everywhere; this is the old-school Summer Spielberg you remember.

So what’s the problem?

The problem, unfortunately, is that the story just isn’t very good.

More than anything, it feels exactly like a movie that’s been in varying degrees of development for a decade and a half, with story proposals and draft scripts coming and going, with action set pieces retained from previous versions, cut out and reshaped to match against action set pieces lifted from other drafts. It feels like a big ungainly hodgepodge of ideas, jammed together and awkwardly fastened, the rough connections more or less sanded off for comfort.

The worst symptom of this rather graceless construction is the proliferation of characters who don’t actually have enough to do onscreen. I love Ray Winstone, for example, but his character feels like a holdover from past drafts. He’s onscreen for probably half the movie, and afterward, I couldn’t think of a single major contribution to the plot made by his character. Similar things can be said about John Hurt, who has slightly more to do, but is otherwise mostly along for the ride. Even Cate Blanchett’s villain is woefully underdeveloped; when she’s introduced, she talks a lot about her background, and what she represents, and we feel like she’s being set up for some sort of major showdown, or at least a significant revelatory twist. It never happens, and in the end, the character feels like a quirky sidekick to an AWOL lead antagonist.

Especially unfortunate is what happens with the Marion Ravenwood character. It’s great to see Karen Allen back on screen; she’s obviously very rusty, having been entirely out of the business for several years, and her performance is fairly shaky, but her chemistry with Ford is undeniable, and there are a few moments where she generates the tough-cookie luminosity of the first movie. But outside of one action scene in the middle of the story (the jungle truck chase: probably the best set piece in the film), she’s stranded without any reason to be there, a largely passive observer.

This passiveness, in fact, infects the overall story in the last fifteen minutes; our heroes arrive at their destination, and then basically stand around while the plot happens around them. Indy himself essentially waits and watches and waits some more, until it’s clear that things are about to suck, and then spends the next few minutes helping everybody run away. It’s this limp climax that’s dragging the film down from a B to a B-minus in my mind; the big spectacular finale is remarkably unsatisfying.

With reference to the finale, though, and the big reveal of What’s Going On, I will say, in the film’s favor, that it gets the pulpy tone just right throughout. If you’ve heard any rumors at all about the movie, you know that the plot gets kickstarted by a visit to Area 51, and while I won’t tell you what happens or what is found there, you can probably fill in the blanks. And while that seems to be a strange departure after the religious iconography of the first three movies, more science-fiction than mystical, it does pretty much work. Overall, the foundation of the story feels like it’s lifted from the back pages of Amazing Stories circa 1955. It’s not an A story; it’s more like one of the pieces published to fill out the magazine’s length but that still engages the reader due to its weirdness and fever-dream intensity. All the details, from the anti-Communist paranoia to the Atomic-Age set dressings, are spot-on.

It’s really too bad, then, that the narrative is so clunky. Ideas are introduced, and then not carried forward. Characters are brought on board because they serve a necessary purpose for a scene or two, and then hang around for the rest of the movie with their thumbs in their ears. The Indy character is forced to become an exposition machine in scene after scene, explaining as we go along what’s happening and where we need to go next, because the story doesn’t progress organically. And there are a couple of scenes that cross the line from cartoonish to eyerollingly stupid, chief among them LaBeouf and the monkey army. (You’ll know it when it happens, because the audience will start shouting “oh come on” at the screen.)

These are definitely significant flaws, but they don’t entirely derail the movie. Like I said, it’s a B, possibly a B-minus. It’s not the ultimate Indiana Jones adventure, but it isn’t an embarrassment, either; the first one set the bar impossibly high, and the sequels attempt to follow in its footsteps, succeeding in some ways and failing in others. This one is no different. Indeed, it seems to me that the flaws stand out so much precisely because the movie gets so much right. Bottom line, the movie gets the job done, if not with any particular style.

Damn if you’re not consistently my favorite movie reviewer ever, Cervaise.

Hey, thanks. :slight_smile:

One additional thought: The movie’s a determined nostalgia machine, down to its bones. Some of the references are overt, but some are quite subtle, even down to the sound effects. I smiled when they used the Wilhelm Scream, for example; it’s well-disguised, but recognizable. Also, in an early scene, when an electrical control box on a hangar door is blown up, listen very closely to the sound it makes.

Whether all of this strikes the viewer as amusing or cheesy will be a matter of individual taste, I think. One thing’s certain, though, it doesn’t really serve the plot.

Thanks for the review! I’ll make sure to have my expectations appropriately adjusted when I go see it on Friday. :wink:

Oh it’s not bad - you’ll wander out of it humming the theme song.

But you’ll want to go watch Raiders.

Nope, like I said, B or B-minus. Not bad.

I just got back, and I pretty much have to agree with everything you just said. There was another WAY over-the-top moment for me, towards the beginning, involving a refrigerator. I saw that and was just like,
“Umm…no. Way too much, even for Indy.”

Oh, one thing though: I was with people (who were driving me) who didn’t want to wait through the credits…did you sit through them, and if so, was there anything after? A yes or no, followed by a spoiler-boxed synopsis, would be great.

I agree with this review, too. It had lots of good parts to it, but they were very poorly tied together, and the conclusion just didn’t feel complete. They could’ve cut at least three of the characters out entirely, or merged them together, to tidy up some of the frayed ends. Even the music didn’t feel right. And there seemed to be too many fanboy moments crammed in.

But I suspect it will get better after a few more viewings on DVD. I think my expectations were high, and once they’ve settled down a bit and I can watch it on my own terms, it will probably work better for me.

I just got back from a midnight show and loved it! I’d rate it higher than Indy #2 and possibly higher than Indy #3. One amusing thing was that I was very likely the only person in the theater who had seen “Raiders” during its initial theatrical run…or was even alive at that point. I suppose most sensible 47 year olds are in bed well before midnight.

Just got back from seeing it not too long ago, and pretty much agree with everything Cervaise said.

My ranking:

Raiders
Last Crusade
Crystal Skull
Temple of Doom

Some of my initial impressions:

• This was better than Temple of Doom, IMO, but Temple had some great character moments that the best in this one doesn’t top.

• Overall, the story and production seemed rushed. I feel it could have been better, and maybe could have topped Last Crusade if they were able to really put in some more time to flesh out the story better.

• Mutt & Monkeys = weird and silly.

• The human threats surrounding Indy this time didn’t seem as evil or dangerous as they did in the other films. Even in Temple of Doom, there was a palpable evil that colored the experience. Not so here. So, I think it made the danger ring a tad hollow. Although, there were some physical threats that were just as perilous as ever.

• Anti-climactic, for sure. Also, I would have liked a much deeper peek into the reveal. Some questions about the ending… Did Irina die, or was she just teleported into the beyond somehow. If the latter, what’s over there? If she did die, why did the alien feel it necessary to kill her? Or is that just what happens when you learn as much knowledge that they had to offer? And if that’s the case, that’s kind of lame.

I agree with pretty much everything said in this thread so far. I thought it was a good popcorn flick and when it will come on TV for the 3.000 time around Christmas 2020 I will probably still settle down and watch it. But I’m not sure I’d like to go and watch it again right away, the way I did with the original three movies.

I really didn’t care for how the mystical element was woven into the plot, viz. that the skullus ex machina was basically used to resolve every possible problem. Get chased by fire ants? Lift the skull. Mean inkas after you? Lift the skull. Need to go through a door? Lift the skull. Which was not helped by the fact that the thing looked like a cheap plastic toy stuffed with Saran Wrap. Strange how I can suspend my disbelief for things involving a refrigerator and the youknowwhats, but not for a silly looking prop.

I’d also have liked Indy to be … more involved. You know, with the older movies I always had the feeling that while he did not really go out of his way to be shot at / run over by boulders / eaten by snakes, he loved knowledge more than everything, and would go to great lengths to uncover secrets. Hence the emotional impact of the scene where his father says “Indiana, let it go” at the end of the 3rd movie.

And here he seemed more like a human GPS than an eager archaeologist. The closest they came to the original feeling was in the one scene when he was looking at the map, ostensibly coerced by the bad guys, but you could tell he had forgotten about that and was just eager to go exploring. I also agree with Cervaise that having him stand around looking silly at the end did not help matters.

But I liked Shia LaBeouf more than I expected, and also was happy to see Karen Allen again. And I’m enough of a fangirl that I constantly had to fight the urge to nudge people next to me and go “Ahaha, look at that!” Plus: Janitor from Scrubs! All in all, solid entertainment. B minus seems about right.

I wonder if this is going to be a ‘wait for the director’s cut for the full ride’ kind of movie?

I went to the midnight showing as well. I think the B to B- grade is about right. It was a bit to Last Crusadeish for me which is my third favorite. There were a few things that bothered me:

The refrigerator was ok, I can see getting in as it did have the lead lined note on it, however, when it was thrown a couple of miles, way over the top.
I thought the Shia monkey scene was really bad and didn’t fit. Why was it even there? The whole chase scene was kind of long and I thought they were trying to make it like some of the other movies and it just didn’t quite work.
I thought they could have done without the flying saucer at the end. They said they were inter dimensional beings and that’s what the hole was, let it end there.

Over all I did enjoy it, and I want to see it again. I’m not sure where it will fall on my list out of the four, but I know it’s not going to displace Raiders.

Now I just have to go get some tea, some coffee, and some other form of caffeine after only three hours of sleep.

Wait, wait.

Monkey army?

Now I have to see this. Everything’s better with monkeys, and even more so with an army of monkeys.

Please tell me it was a monkey ninja army? Because that would just freaking rule.

I agree with pretty much everything that’s been said here. It’s a good film, and better than Temple of Doom, but not (IMHO) than Last Crusade or Raiders (And, for the record, I think Last Crusade is the best of the Indy films so far).

I thought it was a nice touch referencing some of the events of The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles as well, and was pleasantly surprised by Shia LaBouf’s character, who was definitely enjoying himself and didn’t detract from the film at all.

In fact, if I could sum the movie up in one word, it would be “Fun”. Everyone is obviously having a good time, and although the plot has more holes in it than what’s left of the walls of Marion’s Tibetan Bar, it’s still a good ride and delivers most of what we expect from an Indiana Jones film- although, curiously, Indy never shoots anyone (he only draws his revolver once) and Ray Winstone’s character is completely pointless and could easily have been written out of the film and replaced with another contrivance that would acheive the same thing.

There’s a lot of ground to cover in the years between Last Crusade and Crystal Skull, and while this is used to suddenly introduce a character that has been Indy’s friend for 20 years, we as an audience don’t know him from a bar of soap and this reduces the impact he has on later events, IMHO.

I was disappointed to see that John Rhys-Davies didn’t make a cameo- we’re given an update on most of the other major Indy characters; with the exceptions of Short Round and Sallah, and it would have been nice for them to at least get a one-line acknowledgement somewhere.

The villains also lacked a menacing or evil quality to them- the whole “Indy vs. the Russians” isn’t new (they did it far better in the Indiana Jones & The Infernal Machine computer game), and I found myself scratching my head at how the KGB seemed to have so many agents in small-town USA.

Another smaller problem is that, having established that the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles are canon within the films as well, astute members of the audience will realise that since the YIJC show that Indiana Jones is still alive in the present day, he will never be in any actual, serious danger in either Crystal Skull or any subsequent Indiana Jones films.

I hope they make a 5th film- Harrison Ford isn’t getting any younger- but hopefully it will be a bit less silly than this one, while still retaining the charm of the Indiana Jones films as this one has.

Oh, and incidentally: There’s no metal in gunpowder, which makes an early scene in the film completely daft and makes you go “WTF?”. Someone should have picked up on that, really…

I don’t have much to add beyond the fact that I think the OP (and subsequent posters) have got it generally right. The best thing about the film is that there isn’t anything distractingly annoying like the other two sequels had. Temple had an unbearable female lead, the racist ugliness and gratuitous sadism. Crusade suffered too much from the cutsies (especially the wasting of the wonderful Denholm Elliott as a limp noodle “comic relief”) and the female lead sucked, too (plus, all the Nazi stuff just reminded you how much better Raiders was).

Sidekicks are annoying when their main purpose is to (a) provide cheap comic relief, or (b) serve as a millstone for the hero because they constantly screw up or need to get rescued. Mutt is neither. He may be a little too conveniently skilled at certain things (and he does suffer from the most laughable action setpieces), but he’s not a drag on Indy–he’s a good match and he definitely grows on you. Ditto for the rest–Winstone, Hurt, and the luminous Allen aren’t given enough to do at times, but they at least don’t mess up the works, either (and the sexual chemistry between Allen & Ford is still perfectly gauged). And make no mistake–Ford does indeed deliver the goods, in all the best possible ways.

Cate Blanchett, however, is the most wasted simply because she is seriously underwritten. Anybody could’ve played the part she has, and for someone positioned as such a badass, we never really see her do anything all that villainous! Plus, her final fate is just stupid (spoiler is mild, but I’m not taking any chances).

I’d say it’s the best of the sequels, because it incorporates a lot of things from all 3 films that work, without laboring over the stuff that doesn’t, but the fact that it doesn’t completely live up to the potential it had means that I would call it “fun” without necessarily calling it “good”. I’d have to see the film again, but I was particularly disappointed in John Williams’ scoring, because the best moments are all riffs off the most familiar motifs from other films (particularly the Map Room theme and Marion’s theme from the original), without any new themes that really stood out.

I think the film is most fun when it relies on your memory and fondness (both in obvious and subtle ways) of the older films, and the referencing to aging and the past adds another layer of nostalgia to a franchise that’s steeped in nostalgia already. Situating the film in the 50s is fine except for the fact that the Commies are no Nazis–they’re a device to inject necessary conflict at the right time, but there’s never really any threat or urgency to their ultimate mission. And while the Area 51-inspired storyline works better than I expected, the ending is still a typical CG-heavy fizzle.

So overall:
Raiders: 10/10
Crystal Skull: 6.5/10
Last Crusade: 5.5/10
Temple of Doom: 2.5/10

Actually, the new DVD repackagings of the Young Indy TV series omit the framing devices with the Old Indy, so the extent that that might be considered “canon” is debatable.

My opinion:

They state that the aliens were pretty much like Indy - they’re archeologist’s. They looked into her mind, and saw that she was evil, and wanted to use their accumulated knowledge FOR evil. THAT’S why she was killed.

This is pretty much what I figured as well.

I was waiting for Indy to tell Marion, and everyone else, ‘Keep your eyes shut, don’t look at the light.’

I just got back. Morning matinees on a weekday are great; there weren’t more than about 20 of us in the audience altogether!

But I was a little dissappointed. Yeah, it was a good eye candy action flick and entertaining as hell, but it just didn’t seem to fit well with the rest of the Indy canon. The science fiction element didn’t seem to jive well with the archaeological elements which the first three (well, the 1st and the 3rd, at least) were almost solely about. And the set up to some of the escapes that Indy has to make seem a little to forced.

[spoiler]Okay, so we’re in Area 51. Which besides having every secret artifact that the government has ever rescued (including the Ark from the first movie) also has a rocket chair system set up. Which is apparently armed and ready to be used. With no guards around anywhere!

And after escaping from that he just happens to wander into an atomic testing range. Didn’t anybody running the atomic test notice therefridgerator falling from the sky and question it?[/spoiler]

It also stuck too much with me that the skull that Indy found looked way too much like the creature from the "Aliens"movies.

Another thing that I just remembered is that the movie just didn’t seem to have a sense of humor about itself. There was one good moment when

we discover that Shia LeBouf is his son

but beyond that there weren’t that many great moments for Ford. Karen Allen seemedto be having a better time that he did, especially when she was driving the amphicar.

Also, along with the refrdigerator bit … going over three waterfalls? In the space of two minutes? And surviving all three? I don’t think so. The whole film seemed to require way too much suspension of disbelief.