Infinity war 'seen it' thread (spoilers)

This isn’t Titan, the moon of Saturn. It’s a planet in another star system that just happens to share the same name.

Weren’t paying attention, were you? She can only destroy that gem because it gave her the power she has.

I don’t know where you get that number, but you’re wrong. It’s two years after Civil War. Peter Parker was a freshman in Civil War, which makes him a Junior now.

Got a cite for that? In the comics, he is explicitly from Saturn’s moon. His Wikipedia entry confirms this and doesn’t mention a different Titan for the movie version.

The cite is the movie where they’re in a different star system. It’s fairly obvious.

He wiped out half of her race (the one’s on the east side of the street), because that’s his thing.

Big purple guy shows up, wipes out half your population explaining that there were just too many folks living there to be sustainable. The remaining population is going to do what they need to do to make sure he doesn’t come back again.

It did seem like he dusted more than 50% on the battle field, but maybe not.

This was the first MCU movie in where I left disappointed at the end.

Like Kimstu, all I could think was that killing off half the population of the universe is the exact wrong way to take care of overpopulation issues. And when our heroes started being dusted, all I could think of was, “Well, we know that guy’s gonna be in a future movie, so the next movie is going to mostly undo this movie.”

I also had a really hard time remember which heroes were where.

Sure was pretty, though. And the casting of Eitri was inspired.

That’s not a cite, and it will likely be a couple months before I see this movie a second time. A cite would be a verifiable online source, and if you don’t have one, just say so. No, I’ll say it for you: You don’t have one.

I don’t have any skin in this disagreement, but your stance is a little odd. So here’s a source (I’m not sure how you’re defining “verifiable” for these purposes).

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Indeed, the wrong way, however I think that history points at where a villain like Thanos comes from. IMHO it echoes the context of the golden age of comics, with Captain America and the Red Scull reminding us (or at least to the ones that check history) about the good and evil forces in WWII.

Back then there were powerful people that also got it wrong. Those dictators back then were hell bent on invading other countries to get “living space” for their populations by getting rid of most of the invading countries populations and they expected to get a lot of farmers from the invading countries to settle in the conquered nations and to feed the population of the empire.

It is no wonder to me that in the comics (and in the movie?) Thanos appears in the “end” to be “living as a fucking farmer” as Greathouse complains about. That was the big conclusion the evil empires of the past wanted after getting their living space. And as many of the comic book creators of the golden age could tell us, they lived to see those evildoers not getting what they wanted.

It has to be noticed also that IIUC, even by the time of WWII, there was evidence that the industrial revolution (and the growing agrarian one) was helping avoid what many the dictators of the day feared, the same fears as Thanos had. But the ideology of the dictators was already set to ignore the progress on that front.

Remember Strange’s Stond was the Time Stone which could mean it allows time travel.

I suspect we find out in Avengers 4 the reason Hulk has been sulking inside Banner is he’s so upset about getting spanked by Thanos.

I really enjoyed it, with a few minor complaints.

  • I thought they did a really good job developing Thanos, especially since bland/forgettable villains have been a major weakness for Marvel. It’s a shame they hadn’t come up with a clearer picture for Thanos earlier and maybe delivered some of his backstory/motivation before, but, I do like what we got. He has a motivation that makes sense, and at least one strong personal connection to the heroes. He’s almost gentlemanly in the way he’ll hold up his word in “give me the stone and I’ll let him live” situations, which further underscores that he’s doing something he thinks is for the greater good and not just because he’s an asshole.

  • The plot was interesting and went interesting places, doing a good job of giving the different character groups things to do without just turning into a giant brawl of everybody vs. Thanos.

  • Like Civil War, I think the Russo brothers’ cinematography can be charitably described as “workmanlike”… it gets the job done, but it’s kinda boring in some respects visually. And some of the fight scenes are a little hard to follow. CGI was really good though, with the exception of Proxima, who felt a bit uncanny valley (but Thanos and the other two henchmen worked well).

  • Bit surprised that all the newer characters are the ones who got dusted, though I suppose that means we’ll get more to do for the old guard, and proper send-offs for those who will likely actually die in the next movie.

  • Only character I feel confident in saying is perma-dead is Heimdall. Loki’s death was far too lampshaded (though it could be them simply leaving the door open without future plans), and I bet Gamora comes back somehow (trapped in the Soul Gem?).

Well, he also mentions previous civilizations he halved as later blossoming, so maybe after slaughtering half of them he also made them wise up to the idea of conservation and such, if you want to hand-wave it.

It did definitely remind me of the Mass Effect reapers, though they would wipe out pretty much all advanced organic life every 50,000 years or so, so they might’ve had better numbers analysis than Thanos.

Yeah, see, Thanos is crazy and Evil and his idea is terrible and not some type of good resource control plan he just needs to tinker with a bit to get the numbers right.

To repeat myself from post 65, you don’t even have to hand-wave it. You certainly don’t want Thanos coming back and killing 50% again (and maybe all), so any semi-rational civilization is going to do what it takes to not have that happen. Assuming he’s telling the truth about Gamora’s home world (and he has no reason to lie).

I agree, I think that’s exactly why they did it that way. Though they also would have carefully left the characters who can implement the fix, whatever that is going to be.

Except for the fact that it was a habitable planet in another star system with its own moon and doesn’t resemble Titan the moon of Saturn at all, and required a jump through whatever they call their version of hyperspace to get there. But other than that, sure, whatever you say.

That maybe makes sense for all the world’s he’s been to before, like Gamora’s, but I’m not sure if that makes sense for now. Does Earth and every other inhabitable planet know why 50% of their population vanished into dust? I think the people of Earth know something is going on with the giant alien wheels causing destruction, but I don’t know if they know who Thanos is and what his deal is. And I know Thanos is a big deal but does every planet know who he is? Some planets probably know and can guess what happened, but some others probably don’t and figure it’s a weird disease or curse and that they better make up that change in population quickly.

Also I’ve heard it theorized that him wiping half of everyone out of existence doesn’t just mean killing them, it makes it so they never existed. So it’s not like Wakanda just lost their king, T’Challa never existed and so this whole time his sister or his cousin or someone else has been ruler. (This is something that you could start nitpicking the logic of real easily but it’s comic book logic.) If that’s the case, then no one knows that half the population is gone, this is just the way the world is, there’s no extra motivation from Thanos to know or care about sustainable population growth.

Nah, they’re disintegrated, not retconned out of existence. After Falcon vanishes, War Machine is still walking around calling for him. He clearly remembers the guy, even after he’s dusted.

Plus, if Thanos were a native of our solar system, you’d think he’d have turned his attention on Earth a bit earlier.

Yeah, that’s a good point. Unless he uses the gauntlet to explain to the universe what just happened and why (which I assume is possible (and there is no evidence he did that)), his finger snap won’t work long term.

So from one viewpoint, the long, slow slog across the universe was actually/potentially working better for his goals . . .

The scene at the end with Thanos and child Gamora seemed very significant, as though she understood what was happening better than he did. My guess is that Gamora will work through the Soul Stone (or vice-versa) to bring back those that got dusted.