I have a paper due in 4 hours.
Vote count tomorrow.
You accuse me of not understanding you, yet you’re doing the same with me. I have already told you, three times time, why I claimed. You obviously DIDN’T KNOW vanilla people could travel too (you only thought it could be the case). So your position on that was what made me A. want to clarify it for you and everyone else (that yes, Dual Citizens could be vanilla too) and B. show you that traveling didn’t always merit suspicion. It was only after you voted for me, anyway, for claiming, that I got on your case about that post, because you got on my case for claiming when I (and others, apparently) don’t see what the big deal with claiming there was.
I basically verified what you were wondering. You’re welcome. 
Unofficial vote count:
3 Baffle (Pleonast #128, Romanic #208, Wolverine #211)
3 ShadowFacts (NAF1138 #131, AstralRejection #205, Drain Bead #213)
1 Idle Thoughts (ShadowFacts #194)
1 Pleonast (Baffle #207)
4 not voting (MentalGuy, MHaye, Mrs McGinty, Rin Twisted)
OK, I feel like we’re approaching some common ground here, and maybe we were just having a semantics problem. Would you agree with this summary of that early exchange?
Me: It’s possible that there are Vanilla who can travel.
You: Actually, it’s certain that there are Vanilla who can travel, since I am one.
I still don’t think you should have claimed, but as I said earlier, I’m not going to end the Day voting for you, so…
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Unvote Idle Thoughts**
Yes, I realise that. It’s not the first time it has come up.
So because I came to a different conclusion, you assumed I had not taken into account that stalemate is a possible result? Think again. I had done so, and I am of the opinion that it is worth the risk.
I don’t understand what you mean when you say “choose between traveller and non-traveller.” None of us have any choice at all. Our role, as given by the Mod, determines whether we have the capability to travel or not.
Also, you seem to be of the opinion that travel capability is somehow a hallmark of players who are not Vanilla Town; that is, if you cannot travel, you are Vanilla Town.
That, as a moment’s thought should reveal, is simply silly. It’s already been noted that there may be ICR with no travel capability; there also may well be Town power roles with no travel capability. (My speculation is of a variant of a role we don’t often use here, the Gunsmith’s Clerk.)
I wouldn’t be surprised at all to find some unique, or at least rarely seen, roles in this game. In fact, given the unusual setup, I’d be surprised if there weren’t some. But my Google-fu is failing me on ‘Gunsmith’s Clerk’; can you describe that role?
Mafiascum calls it a Gunsmith. The idea is that the Gunsmith (or his clerk) can check paperwork at Night to see if the chosen subject has a gun or not. Roles that might have include Mafiate of any stripe, Vigs, Cops, and so on.
The idea I speculate on is that the passport office clerk can investigate someone each Night to see whether a passport has been issued in the subject’s name. Those with no passport probably cannot travel.
So if everyone has publically claimed whether they have travel capability or not, the passport clerk can test for truth. (If there is such a role, of course.) Liars get gaoled.
Yes, that is a much better exchange POV. I feel you understand why I claimed, then, a bit better now, too.
T0:00 post #80
Baffle(3) : Pleonast(128) Romanic(208) Wolverine(211)
ShadowFacts(3): NAF1138(131) Astral Rejection(205) DrainBead(213)
Pleonast(1): [del]Astral Rejection(158 - 180)[/del] Baffle(207)
Idle Thoughts(0): [del]ShadowFacts(194-224)[/del]
Well, there’s no sense getting lynched. I know I’m town, and I’m not sure about ShadowFacts.
unvote Pleonast
vote ShadowFacts
Tomorrow I’ll probably be back on Pleonast.
Lacking anything better to go on, Astral’s assessment of ShadowFacts in post 204 seems the closest thing yet to a meaningful case.
vote ShadowFacts.
Based on my previous suspicions and agreeing with most of Romanic’s analysis in post 208, I am going to
Vote Baffle
I am going to be looking closer at Astral Rejection toMorrow. There is a good chance he would have gotten my vote toDay had there not been a close race between two other candidates.
I know we don’t know if Suburban Plankton is Town, but I am glad to see someone else agrees with my theory that it would be better for the vanilla to do some travelling. I admit I don’t really know whether it would be better to widen the travel pool to help power roles hide, or keep it as lean as possible and likely trade our power roles for catching scum, but I am leaning toward the first.
After reading the various arguments, I am coming down against any sort of mass claim of travel abilities, but I also don’t think that particular piece of knowledge is something that players should go to great lengths to hide.
Sorry for not posting much the last couple of days. I haven’t had a problem having a computer available like I thought I would, but I haven’t been home much.
You could be dead tomorrow. Why not take a closer look at me today? You won’t even get a chance to say anything for a whole cycle of Day over at the other town.
It really frustrates me when people say “I’m gonna do X… at some future point in the game.” If you suspect me, lay it out.
T0:00 post #80
Baffle(4) : Pleonast(128) Romanic(208) Wolverine(211) MentalGuy(232)
ShadowFacts(5): NAF1138(131) Astral Rejection(205) DrainBead(213) Baffle(230) Mrs McGinty(231)
Pleonast(0): [del]Astral Rejection(158 - 180)[/del] [del]Baffle(207-230)[/del]
Idle Thoughts(0): [del]ShadowFacts(194-224)[/del]
Arrest Warrant will be issued in 5 and a half hours.
Do you sort the vote list by the leading lynch candidate? If so, why am I at the top?
(1) No.
(2) Not applicable.
You are right. I had been busy over the weekend and did not really feel like composing a post last night, but I knew I needed to get a vote in.
After a good night’s sleep, I have gone back and taken a look at you. I have found the bulk of my suspicion of you comes from that first post you made. I guess it just feels like a longer more detailed version of ShadowFacts post in that it just goes back and forth on various players without actually saying a lot. Of course, I have already pointed out why I don’t think Wolverine’s suggestion is a scum tell and am suspicious as to you suggesting it is, but I find it even more unusual since you had pointed out in your comments on Suburban Plankton that scum would be concerned with not standing out in any way. Also, when I suggested that making bad suggestions was not something that indicated scum, you asked me about the merits of the suggestion. This seems a bit misleading since I never suggested it was a good idea, just that it did not look like something scum would suggest.
Outside of those couple of posts the only thing that pinged me was your saying “forcing people to choose between traveller and non-traveller”. I am not really sure why players would have to choose and not just claim what they are. I think probably even the scum could just claim truthfully in that regard, but I would think that if anyone was ‘forced to choose’, it would be the scum. But I also think forcing the scum to choose would probably be a good thing.
Overall, I would say there is enough there that you are my likely vote for toMorrow (assuming I am not dead). I wouldn’t consider it a slam dunk case, though, and it is certainly possible a better candidate will come up.
Bah. Hard to argue with that reasoning, assuming you are in fact Town. 
I may switch my vote to you to try to save myself later, but I’m not going to so do right now because I want to get this on the record for people to look at and consider:
Vote Mrs. McGinty
I hate, hate, hate late bandwagon votes with no reason. And no, just a passing reference to someone else’s “assessment” doesn’t count. It’s the ultimate cop-out, there is no accountability, and it’s extremely anti-Town. What, precisely, did you find compelling about the case? What other thoughts have you had about my posts this game? If I do end up in gaol, I really hope everyone looks back at this vote with much skepticism. (Hell, I hope you all look at it NOW, but I understand that you don’t know if I’m Town right now, so my exhortation will have less weight).
Fair enough. I’d argue its length, its detail, and how I point out where things strike me as scummy or not can be helpful; it certainly is for me. I can’t defend against your gut feeling, and I accept that it’s a valid way to play (I’m voting for ShadowFacts partially on a gut feeling, for instance!). For the record, I count 10 instances of me explicitly saying something is “slight town” or “slight scum” within that post, and only 4 instances of me saying something evens out to “net neutral.” But obviously your mileage will vary on how helpful you find my posts.
I can’t remember the exact events, but Suburban Plankton (scum in LOTR mafia) was lynched for calling attention to himself. Scum do it, usually accidentally, but they do it. If scum played perfectly, we’d never catch them, but the fact is NOBODY plays perfectly. I found Wolverine’s suggestion scummy, but not as scummy as Pleonast at the beginning and ShadowFacts now. It’s all about how those scummy little things add up.
Here’s my post in question:
You’re the second person to question my particular phrasing here, so I must not have been as clear as I wanted. In the context of our mass claim on whether we can travel or not, we’d be forcing scum to decide whether to claim traveler or non-traveler. Our goal was to lock them into something. My second sentence clarifies that I am referring to people LYING about it, and that I believe nobody actually would. My third sentence further clarifies that I believe scum would be 100% honest, thereby negating any town gains from a mass claim.
Our goal with a claim was to force scum to choose between claiming honestly or dishonestly, and then using that claim to catch them later. My post only intends to point out that they don’t have to choose; they can claim honestly without fear.
Baffle is voting for his closest competitor (ShadowFacts) while Shadow is not. I think it shows who’s more likely to vote to save himself. Current votes, if I am not mistaken, are Shadow 5 Baffle 4, McGinty 1.
MHaye and Rin Twisted have yet to vote. I think the deadline is in 1-2 hours, we’re close anyway.
If you feel this post looks like one trying to push for a Baffle lynch: It’s exactly what it is.