Did I miss that Cookies vote doesn’t count unless is a tie? Every vote counts and I would found Cookies not voting to be anti-town: it takes away opportunity to analyze an extra vote.
Cookies, I assume you can change your action until the deadline (basicly unvote and vote someone else)?
I assume you missed my claim?
How? Plans can changed and as far as I know all travel is public anyway. What extra benefit does scum get from this info? Seems to me that knowing that they can travel is enough and that was already public for Plankton and Idle. Scum would either kill them to prevent them from traveling or not kill in hope they will travel (ignoring any other possible power roles they might have).
Wow. I got your vote for me, but I missed your claim. I have updated the spreadsheet.
This gives us locally four claims of roles, three claims of unable to travel, and two proven travel abilities. For this purpose, I include Natlaw’s claim of VT and Idle Thoughts’s claim of “vanilla traveling town” as claims of roles. (Claiming VT is still claiming a role.)
I know my own position, of course. So there’s six left for me to assess Today. And I’m not going to get in a rigorous analysis before our Dusk.
Meanwhile, to reply to Natlaw on my suggestion to Cookies: Eir vote does count, yes, but I should have said it doesn’t have a meaningful effect. As shown in UK Day 1A, **Cookies **vote created a tie, but eir vote was recorded at Dusk. Under the tiebreaker rules, eir vote was the last one cast, so eir candidate was NOT arrested. Hence, Cookies’s vote only makes a difference to break a tie.
Still, a point remains that Cookies does get an extra vote, that e ought to justify in eir Day phase.
{BTW: I use Spivak pronouns, which are gender neutral. (He/she/e; him/her/eir.) This simplifies the issue of determining people’s gender. I hope it clarifies more than it confuses.}
Apparently I did miss it.
After a little further thought and vote history checking:
Mahaloth first voted for peeker, who has claimed Twin Brother (mason). E then voted for Suburban Plankton, changed eir mind, and voted for Natlaw. Moreover, Natlaw claimed VT in #437, and Mahaloth voted for em AFTER that in #453.
unvote USCDiver
vote Mahaloth
Mahaloth, care to explain why you voted Natlaw after eir claim?
Thank you…it was starting to drive me crazy…I was wondering if you had some sort of strange keyboard malfunction
You’re mostly right. It’s not a keyboard malfunction – it’s evidence of a misspent few years.
First, I admit to skimming maybe speed reading is better. Work has been hell today.
Second, I wanted to note this post. I saw Mahaloth’s vote and I thought it was odd that he voted after the claim. But I don’t think it is enough to vote Mahaloth for now. First, I see Mahaloth’s (originally suburban’s in vote at least if I’m not mistaken) point, though I don’t completely agree with it. it’s a sort of fishing case, I suppose. Not always the strongest, but it is our first Day, so it’s understandable. Second, Natlaw did claim Vanilla, not a powerful claim.
It was quite a speedy bandwagon. Natlaw and Normal have made the point tht Scuba’s comment that a Vanilla claim is weak.
I’m going to go with my gut here and
Vote: Scuba Ben
it just seems like his action, while more subtle, is also more likely to have Scum motivations behind it. It’s almost a desire to cast suspicion on anyone who claims Vanilla. I don’t see a Town reason for making such a case.
special ed: You concur with Natlaw and Normal Phase on my comment that a VT claim is weak, AND you said:
What makes my comment suspicious and yours not?
You can say that of any single vote of a pile so I don’t see how that makes it any special in that regard. That the vote isn’t revealed until the final vote is more tricky.
/oog It doesn’t simplify the issue, it side-steps it. It reads really weird to me…
Actually you commented that a vanilla claim is weak so why is it such a big deal to that Mahaloths vote after it?
Because Mahaloth made pretty much the same observation. If it’s suspicious for one of us to observe that a VT claim is weak (my phrasing) or not powerful (eir phrasing), it’s suspicious for both of us.
You do mean Ed right? I don’t see where Mahaloth mentions it and your post #466 you seem to find it pretty significant that Mahaloth doesn’t mention my claim but still votes me?
:smack::smack::smack:
You’re right. I even got the name right in #470. I goofed in #472.
Uh, it’s a vanilla claim. Is that supposed to have some kind of powerful effect on whether I think natlaw is scum or not?
I don’t get why you think it’s a big deal. I was on Suburban for not moving his vote after peek’s claim, but peek’s claim is not a vanilla claim and could be potentially confirmed by Astral.
I just don’t get your point.
I have a few questions for Scuba_Ben
From just a few posts ago…
Why **USCDiver **instead of Cookies, who made basically the same argument in Post #433?
Going back to Morning…
This is the first suggestion that I had an ‘pre-game travel option’, which in turn seems to have led to **peeker’s **suspicion of me and all the hilarity that followed. Why would you think that I got a ‘pre-game option’ if nobody else did?
From the same post…
and a bit later on…
Well, you did blame him in the game thread…and what exactly are you blaming him for, anyway?
Separate thought.
peekercpa was the early vote leader, and claimed Twin Brother (mason) under pressure.
Natlaw was the later vote leader, and claimed VT under pressure.
Suburban Plankton drew a few votes, but was never under pressure, so didn’t need to claim.
A late-Day effort is building against me. There’s just over a half hour left toDay here in kiwiville. If you’ve all got cases against me (or anybody else, for that matter), please allow time for another claim under pressure.
AOP @ Mahaloth: ISTM that VT is not testable by action. If I’m wrong about the importance (or non importance) of a VT claim, it wouldn’t be the first thing in this game about MafiaScum play that I’m wrong about.
Because Cookies had already claimed Nocturnal Hacker (and pro-Town) in #311. So there’s no reason Today to vote for Cookies.
I didn’t think you did. I just wanted it on the record.
:smack::smack::smack::smack: I can’t keep track of my own posts.
I’m blaming the Mod for having a game set-up where we have to, gosh, reason things out.
I didn’t say random, I said only some. There is a group of people who all know which side of the line that Ed and Suburban fall on, and it isn’t Town.
I mean Idle and Suburban. :smack: I’ll get it straight one of these days.
Unofficial lazy vote count:
Natlaw: 5
Scuba: 3
Suburban: 1
USCDiver: 1