Isn’t that the one that has the systematic slaughter of all non-whites and Jewish people in America? So, like, full-throated Naziism?
Yep.
Sure, its not like any of those things are in short supply in the rest of the world. I could get a job in Paraguay tomorrow and I’ve got a bunch of options for starting a business in Chile. My wife does mining and she has recently turned down job offers in Argentina and Chile.
I’m not sure if you’ve looked around the US but unless you live in a shit hole housing is crazy expensive here. We could sell our house in Denver and pay cash for an estate in Paraguay.
Healthcare is pretty good in Chile and while Paraguay isn’t going to top any lists of best health care there is certainly enough care to keep me alive and healthy for the next 40 years.
My wife and I are done with education (I may go get my PhD in a year) and the k-12 education is good in Paraguay and Chile. Certainly good enough to get into major international colleges in Europe.
Why would I need a bunker or MREs if we abandon the US? One of the benefits of the southern hemisphere is that alot of the fall out won’t cross the equator and most people in the northern hemisphere don’t remember that the southern half exists. Really the benefit to the US is enertia and that we’re much more comfortable speaking English. Even aside from the Trump bullshit I’ve been trying to talk my wife into Chile; better climate, more affordable, better healthcare, and we can both find work she’s just worried about being away from her family.
This is the big one. Especially when you have kids, seeing the grandparents (or extended family) becomes considerably more difficult once you move (ostensibly permanently, though I guess you could do a dual-residency thing) outside the US.
Ya, that’s what she says. I don’t see a big difference between a 3 hour flight to California and a 16 hour flight to South America. The rest of the time its video chat anyhow. I’m probably skewed though. I grew up in Asia and so family to me were people you talked to on the phone a couple of times a year and saw everyother year at best.
If I was an American, who was hoping to escape to Canada, in the event things get truly dangerous or disastrous, I’d move close to the border now.
I think the truth is that should things turn truly wretched Canada would not turn away our American cousins. I think we WOULD open our doors, but it wouldn’t/couldn’t last for very long. Hence being close to the border, and ready to act, could be key.
Just sayin’…something to consider is all. 
Y’all can all come here. I have food and guns to get more food.
I’ll leave the light on for you.
Define “close”.
I could be in Canada in, oh, six hours or slightly less by road. A lot quicker than that by air, although getting access to a general aviation airplane and permission to cross that border could be problematic. I am not going to discuss how to cross the border without permission.
I would hope that the Canadians would be so generous. I really do. You are still the best neighbors a nation could ever have.
Twenty-five years ago, I had the chance to marry a Canadian and could have moved there. He was a good man but not for me, so it didn’t happen.
Eighteen years ago, I took the opportunity to marry a NZ/Australian man. We fiercely debated which continent we would live on. Only I had a business that must be run from the USA, so in the end he moved here.
In 2004, we seriously explored moving to New Zealand. We were in the process of making an offer on a place there when I chickened out. What scared me most was what would happen if there was a large shift in the currency markets that would render our retirement nest eggs/incomes less valuable abroad.
Five years ago, some close friends correctly assessed what America would become under Trump (I didn’t disagree with them) and made the shift to France. The female half of the couple maintains a blog and keeps us abreast of their progress. They are an average older couple. No regrets at all, and in fact are back to enjoying life immensely in their new home. They love it there.
I often regret I did not take any of the opportunities presented to me to leave the USA, although I would never marry solely for the purpose of emigration.
I’m learning French, though I fear it may be too late.
Good on ya. Continue getting educated. This is a painful period, but I’m 90% confident we’ll get by as a nation. But if it goes south, it’ll be due to the radical right. They have the arms, the influence, the police, and the money.
If this isn’t the end of America, what is it? Just a minor setback in the grand scheme of things? When 2000 Americans died, the nation went to war with random countries. When 160,000 were murdered by our own president, after a decades-long war on American democracy, we did nothing. Nothing.
It takes a special sort of delusion to pretend that checking a box every four years can fix America, to pretend that the system isn’t so rigged that it’s still a meaningful exercise of representative democracy. Rule by minority is by definition not democratic.
We’ve been circling the drain, indifferent to our own demise, for years and years now. It hardly started with Trump; he was the inevitable symptom, not the cause, of American decline.
The rest of the world sees us for what we are: a nation of complacent idiots, too comfortable to risk change, too arrogant to admit our wrongs, too divided by our elites to cooperate democratically. The Right wants ethnonationalist authoritarianism, the default answer to any sort of national crisis. The Left wants a revolution overthrowing both the right and the center, desperate for any semblance of hope, knowing that it has no real power. The Center just wants to go on pretending like nothing ever happened, as if Trump was an “oops” and Biden’s Obama-era sensibilities would bring back some sort of lost Golden Age, where trickle-down golden showers would magically erase race and class differences.
It’s laughable that even now, at the tail end of 2020, we are still asking “Is something really wrong?! Maybe it’s not that bad”.
Hell, maybe we deserved this. I pity any child born this decade. The future will be ugly.
We maintain that delusion as long as we find it preferable to blood in the streets.
We may lose our elections, but as long as we get to go to the next, then we live to fight another day.
If we lose an armed rebellion against the government, then we don’t get to try again in 1/2/4 years.
Take away the elections, and that does change the equation quite a bit, and the war we fight in the ballot booth may need to move to the streets. In that scenario, no one wins.
I hate trump as much (actually, probably more) than the next guy, but I simply can’t get myself worked up into the tizzy that so many people are in right now. I mean - really? Is this The End of Civilization as We Know It? Trump sucks. He a moron, and he’s done a lot of moronic things that are going to take time to fix. But, I still get up every day, do the work that needs to be done, and go about my life. It’s not like I have to forage for food, or run my car on coal.
Yet…
Well, so did Winston Smith.
Yeah, things worked out real well for him, didn’t they?
There are literal Nazis killing Americans in our streets. There’s a president and Senate and governors orchestrating a purposeful campaign against government effectiveness that’s already killed 160,000. There are cops killing Americans and secret police deployed to secretly abduct citizens. That’s in addition to the millions of lives already lost form inadequate healthcare, and the many more to come from economic collapse and climate change. That’s blood on the streets any way you spin it.
As for elections, there’s a party working to actively disenfranchise a large portion of the electorate, undercount their opponents, ignore the popular vote, twisting districts, manipulating the courts in order to decide election outcomes… your ballot booth is a sham. This democracy is a sham.
But hey, it’s OK. Baseball and beer will get us through this. 'Murica.
Those guys on the Right are mostly cowards, all hat and no cattle.
The Radical left isnt what is bothering me, it is trump.