Is giving a small middle-aged woman an aluminum baseball bat for self defense a good idea?

No worries. Legitimate concern with a dog, but usually only if you’re being watched and specifically targetted.

I’m an NRA member and very pro-gun, but I’ve seen enough Morons With Guns that I am strongly against people buying them for “protection” unless, as Silenus says, they are willing to invest the time and energy in order to know how to use them and use them safely.

Telling Sally Strawforbrains to buy a gun is usually a recipe for disaster. Especially if they’re older and there is any chance of dementia involved. You don’t want a family member shot because Sally temporarily failed to recognise them and panicked.

If she’s willing to go the gun route, I’d like to reiterate the above advice. Shooting .38 special from a nice, heavy .357 magnum is really comfortable in my experience. It’s my girlfriend’s favorite option since it’s more exciting than a .22, but still milder than everything else.

Even so, she should still try out a variety of guns at the range, etc. etc. But I’d strongly recommend having this option on the short list of things to try. Also, if she decides she’s comfortable enough shooting .357 magnum out of it, then that provides a more powerful option for self-defense.

As for a baseball bat, my purely armchair mall ninja analysis would be that even a knife would be a better option since it’d be harder for an assailant to grab it. Grabbing a baseball bat, unless it’s swinging with full force, is fairly safe. Grabbing a knife without getting some cuts is a bit trickier. But honestly, I wouldn’t recommend a knife either.

This is a question that can’t be answered well unless astro comes back and provides more details. Are we talking about home safety? Keeping something in the car? A weapon for taking with you while you take out the trash? What?

Assuming we’re talking about security in the home, we also need to know whether we’re talking about an apartment, or a house. What kind of neighborhood is it? What’s the major threat? Is it gangs? Lone thieves? Rapists? Defense against an ex-husband who’s looking for revenge?

The nature of the threat makes a difference. For example, if the problem is gang activity, you really, really don’t want a weapon that bruises someone up but leaves them alive. Even if you deter the initial attack, he’ll come back with his buddies and bring the freakin’ apocalypse down on you. If you’re worried about rape, then pepper spray is also not the best idea - it will just enrage your attacker and make the encounter that much more violent.

If you’re worried about random thievery, the best defense is a VISIBLE defense. Get an alarm system, and put the sign for it in the window. Bar the windows if you have to. Make sure the doors have deadbolts and the windows have very secure locks. Thieves look for easy pickings, and if your house looks like a hard target, the thieves will just move on to the next one.

If she’s scared lying in bed at night, one option would be to replace her bedroom door with a solid-core door, and put a deadbolt on it. Keep a cell phone in the bedroom. If she hears a strange noise in the house, she can lock the door and call the cops. Kind of like a cheaper version of a ‘panic room’.

Another good defense is to not have visible signs of opulence. Don’t give thieves a reason to believe that there’s treasure behind your locked doors.

A dog is the best anti-burglar protection there is. It doesn’t even have to be a big dog - any dog that barks works just fine. Again, it’s all about making your house a harder target than the neighboring houses - all things being equal, a thief is going to seek out a house where merely approaching it doesn’t trigger frenzied barking that the whole neighborhood can hear.

For women who are afraid to walk to their car after work and such, here’s the best advice I can offer: take running shoes to work with you. Put your high heels in a bag and wear your runners into the office. Change into your heels once there. Put your runners on again before you leave. Because your best defense against a male attacker is to run like hell. Walking to your car in high heels makes you a more attractive target in the first place because you look more feminine, and then it hinders your ability to get away if you’re confronted.

This is a form of passive safety, as opposed to learning how to be a badass. Other examples include improving your situational awareness (park your vehicle under a lamp if possible, don’t get into a parkade elevator alone if you can help it, keep your eyes swiveling when walking alone, etc)

I also highly recommend one of the new technology CREE-LED flashlights. These things will fit on a keychain so you always have it with you. They are as bright as the old-style ‘D’ cell police flashlights, and will light up a dark parking garage like you wouldn’t believe. They can also be used to flag down police or other help. If you’re walking down a dark street at night, you can illuminate the shadows.

While you’re at it, get her a couple of Security Whistles - one for her keychain, and one to keep in her nightstand. These things are loud enough to hurt your ears. Guaranteed to wake the neighbors and scare the bejeebers out of a routine thief who doesn’t want to get caught.

So forget the Rambo stuff. Don’t buy a gun unless you’re committed to using it and believe you’re capable of pulling the trigger when necessary. But learn to make yourself a harder target, to avoid bad situations, and improve your situational awareness. Little things matter.

A dog is probably the single most effective thing mentioned, but you shouldn’t own a dog unless you want one for other reasons and are willing to take good care of it.

Jeez Louis! I am not crazy about guns but I would most definitely buy a gun and learn how to use the darn thing if I felt afraid. I am quite sure I would not be able mentally to hit as hard as I should with the baseball bat first go - I would hesitate, no matter what. A gun would be perfect.

A gun doesn’t need to be walked, or petted. It doesn’t poo everywhere and then eat its poo. And it doesn’t need to be trained! Dogs are adorable creatures - in the neighbor’s house. If I had a huge house/yard and lived alone I might buy an English mastiff…but right now I’d have to move out to make room for the thing.

And if the woman feels that afraid she can darn well learn how to maintain her own pistol. I’m sure I could do it, if need be.

Also, I’m sure I’d never buy a revolver. If I am buying a gun I’d buy a nice shiny Sigsauer or Beretta.

I completely agree about dogs. My Wife and I have two. ‘cause we love ‘em. That they are an alarm system is just a side benefit. But dogs are a LOT of work (and great fun). And to properly care for them is a lot of money.

Semi Auto, or revolver? Hmm… I have shot pretty much everything for 40 years. I’m 49 years old. I choose a .357 revolver as my go to gun. Pull trigger, bang. Ruger GP100 if it matters.

Bada bing, bada BOOM. Though I do also have to consider that we have a lot of black bear here. They have broken into houses. And I have had to chase them off our property. The .357 makes me at least feel that I may have a chance handgun wise. Other than that, It’s the Marlin 336er in .356.

Ehh… I’m getting sidetracked. The .357 that you can drop .38sp in is a great choice. .38sp is nothing to scoff at IMHO. .357 is probably the best one shot drop out there for a handgun. It is at least in the top 3.

And here I disagree. If she’s simply worried about the remote possibility of being a victim of crime/violence, then sure, go ahead, learn how to use a gun.

But there’s nothing more dangerous than a law abiding yet *scared *person with a gun. That’s how pizza deliverymen and husbands getting glasses of water at night get shot.

Yeah, and something else I alluded to earlier but didn’t spell out is the danger of powerful guns in shooting completely through the bad guy and passing through a window or apartment wall and hitting somebody on the other side. You have to have enough presence of mind to aim the gun in such a way as to take into account what’s going to happen after the bullet passes through its target.

And of course you need to be damn sure the shadow in the hall isn’t a family member, but it sounds to me like the woman in the OP needs protection for herself only rather than her family so I’ve been going with the assumption that she’s alone when under threat.

Still, all in all I wouldn’t hesitate to go with a gun.

(It would be nice if the OP would return and give us more information.)

While a dog can be circumvented by a determined evildoer, so can any other defense. Heck, the gun owner herself could be shot or poisoned or whatever just like the dog can. And a gun, no matter how well you’ve trained with it, won’t wake you up if the intruder happens to come while you’re asleep (a circumstance much more common than home invaders willing and able to neutralize a dog).

On the other hand, while a dog may not be much defense, it can be an excellent “warning system”. When someone they don’t know comes around, they make a lot of noise. That alerts the owner, and often times the wannabe burglar will try somewhere else.

Wouldn’t a dog be a better deterrent if it was outside? Most people are going to avoid a barking dog. And if the person is so deadset on getting in that they shoot or poison the dog, then there’s probably not a whole lot you can do.

Yeah, I thought about that afterward but long after the edit window closed and I wasn’t sure if it mattered enough to correct. What I had in mind was a case where the dog may have been penned up in the back yard or chained in the front yard and with the intruder coming in from the other way.

One thing to remember with a shotgun (or at least the ones I’ve used) is that they have pretty serious recoil, and unless you’ve got them firmly braced you are likely to do yourself an injury.

Also with their size, they may not be the easiest things to aim (or rather, change aim quickly)

For me, I would say a handheld taser that she can use to zap him if he comes close. ANd / or pepper spray.

And who gives a shit if you have to clean the house after use?

  1. If you are really in a situation where you have to use it, cleaning the house afterwards is the least of your worries - this is a whole lot less troublesome that recovering from rape or murder
  2. Cleaning up after pepper spray (I would imagine in magnitudes easier than cleaning up after a gunshot wound

Shotguns with reduced recoil rounds, or full recoil rounds in a semiautomatic shotgun, have very little recoil. You sacrifice ballistic power, but you have very little recoil.

Any weapon that you have to use with 4 feet of your attacker isn’t the best weapon. More than likely all you will do is enrage the person and get it taken off you, then used on you.

I disagree with almost this entire post, for reasons others have already stated.

And a bat is such a horrible weapon for home defense that I don’t even know where to begin castigating it. And yet I hear about it even IRL, from my idiot co-workers: “I heard a noise last night, so I grabbed a baseball bat and went downstairs…” The entire trope must have started from early sitcoms where a protagonist terrified of guns decided to investigate something in the house with a bat…it was probably a point of high hilarity until gun ownership started to decline and people could be deluded into thinking a baseball bat in close-quarters of a home was a viable option. :rolleyes:

No, not a bat.
She needs to find a nice pair of Nike or Adidas and practice running away. A gun is a good tool for someone not afraid to use it. It sounds like she will be afraid regardless of the tools you give her not to be. (IMO)
Maybe some classes specifically designed for her to “get away”

As already mentioned, close enough to actually use a bat is too close.

Best all-around weapon for defense in the home is a 12 gauge shotgun. Working the pump makes a very distinctive sound, which can often exert a strong and welcome deterrent/educational effect. And if you are dealing with a slow learner, at least you warned him.

Regards,
Shodan

I’d say this is pretty damn important. Knowing there have been break-ins or stranger rapes in her neighborhood is pretty different from being threatened by an ex (who may have once lived with her, or for whom she has lingering feelings).

Keeping a dog outside won’t protect you much better than keeping a gun outside. The dog needs to be with you at the moment you are in danger.

The dog is in danger himself/herself if left alone outside anyway, and is much happier with you. Also, in case anyone is thinking about chaining a dog outside, a chained dog particularly is a risk of mauling children – there’s a strong correlation between chained dogs and fatal attacks. And a bad guy can walk around the radius of the chain.

All signs point to “dog inside with you.”

That may be…but Mark David Chapman showed conclusively that “most effective” is limited to “miserably poor.” The most alert, well-trained agents on earth, equipped with handguns carefully selected for the job, at maximum alertness, allowed some poor shlub to empty his revolver at the President of the United States.

Police use handguns effectively when they know they are entering a danger area and they can behave accordingly. Surprised police do not particularly defend themselves well, just like everyone else. In one’s home, unless one walks around armed and fires at everything that moves without waiting to identify whether it’s a family member or not, the advantage will always be with an intruder who knows everyone in the house except him is an enemy.

Guns are offense, they are counter-attack, they might be a deterrent. As defense they are, under optimal circumstances, quite bad, verging on useless.