Hillary was ineffective in keeping Bill in check. He just never got onto the same team with Obama. I’d say that alone disqualified her for the #2 slot. Maybe no one could accomplish that task, but life’s a bitch.
Hillary was running for the same number of months as Obama. Why in the name of heaven would she need to be vetted? She’s been being vetted (as has her husband) for seventeen years! They obviously felt that if they had any bodies, they were buried deeply enough to remain so.
If all of the above is true, why are close Clinton supporters like Carville, Begala, and Wolfson making these statements?
There are a lot of legitimate explanations for why Clinton was not vetted or consulted. But it wouldn’t take much to clear the air and explain why that was.
Carville and Begala are CNN employees first, Clinton supporters second. The media would LOVE for there to be a floor fight at the convention. Also, they see the possibility of getting back into White House positions fading before their eyes and are fighting back against that. Add Carville’s sleeping-with-the-enemy problem to that, too.
Wolfson made a positive comment on the Biden pick yesterday, didn’t he?
Because those who have a vested interest in there being a problem, such as the media, are the ones creating this ‘problem.’ This includes people who love drama for the sake of drama, people who enjoy RO, Hillary supporters who enjoy feeling cheated more than they want a Democrat to get into office, etc. This stuff is big money to newspapers and TV shows; it gets people who would otherwise go to their graves unnoticed their fifteen minutes of fame, it gives the sullen and the sulky a sense of legitimacy - and there’s nothing, absolutely nothing that the Obama campaign can do that will satisfy these few people because they don’t want to be satisfied. If he had vetted her, they would have been screaming that he then should have picked her. If he had picked her, they would have been screaming that she “really” should be at the top of the ticket. And it’s the gift that keeps on giving to the Republicans, giving the false impression that there is a major divide within the Democratic Party, which there is not.
There’s not going to be a floor fight at the convention.
McCain tries to start a fire over Hillary:
McCain ad says Obama snubbed Clinton in VP pick
Better yet, the Supreme Court-- it’s a *lifetime * of influence!
Shorter McCain ad: “Why didn’t he pick her?! We could have DESTROYED that ticket!!”
She’d be an excellent choice there, and it’d circumvent the Bill problem. It might even happen, if the senate dems can get past the 61 needed for a straight “up or down” vote on her.
I was going to start a thread on this:
Clinton has nobody but herself to blame for not being able to be on that ticket. Had she not gone out of her way to suggest that he be on her ticket when she was clearly losing maybe it would have worked out. Had she not let Bill roam free and loose then she might be able to.
Personally, I’d support an Obama / Clinton ticket if:
A) Bill were not involved
B) Clinton would play ball.
I think it’d obviously be the strongest ticket out there, but everyone knows, Bill will be involved. You’ll have three people trying to hog the spotlight. It’d be a horrible political marriage, that’s for sure. Had she shown a little more tact in her political maneuvering, she’d be able to be on the ticket now, but she didn’t. It’s also why she lost her commanding lead and eventually the nomination. I don’t see why she should have been considered for the veep when she so obviously disqualified herself from the get go. Anyone remember the point when people said, “She doesn’t need to be vetted!” People wanted her to simply cut in line and get special treatment.
The number of votes she got isn’t particularly of interest. It was a lot to be sure, but it’s only because she competed in every state after she was unable to win. She kept believing that she had some outside chance to make the agreed upon rules seem murky and thus somehow smooth over some kind of way for her to win. Fortunately we were spared that.
What really irritates me though is that her ridiculous behavior in the primary has affected some people in such a way that she can’t bring them back. She stirred up so much shit she can’t get it under control. The PUMA’s are an example, but I’ve been seeing polls of her supporters who go for McCain about 20 percent of the time and only around 50 percent go for Obama. Obama is having problems winning over Democrats. Why are those 20 percent Hillary Supporters going for McCain? I can only see it happening because of spite. Is there really any other reason? What qualities do Hillary Clinton and McCain share? I’d say none, policy-wise. So it’s a purely spite thing.
The convention will be interesting to watch. If Hillary and Bill swallow their pride and do what’s right, then I can see Hillary’s massive support at the convention possibly working in his favor. Maybe she could use it as one last call to get her supporters to get behind Obama. On the other hand, if the Clintons use this as one last chance to throw sand in Obama’s eyes then it will screw up big-time and they alone will be left to blame for Obama’s loss, if it happens.
ETA: Supreme court sounds like a great spot for her or Bill, btw. Hell, why not both of them? Honestly the thing is that I fear Hillary Clinton in most positions of executive power because she’s obviously such a poor manager. Her campaign was a train-wreck. But I think her opinions on the issues are usually okay.
Good lord, that would piss off the pubbies wouldn’t it?
They deserve it for Scalia and Alito and Thomas.
Hehe…Bill AND Hillary on the SC. Buchanan and O’Reilly would have heart attacks, Hannity and Limbaugh would have strokes, George Will would hang himself with his bowtie, and Tucker Carlson would be found in a corner, bawling his eyes out.
Like Secretary of Health and Human Services, for instance.
I’m not worried in the least Clinton supporters are capable of anything irrational, but I’m terrified at the thought of something not going Obama’s way.
I can’t imagine what would have happened if Clinton got the nomination and blew off Obama. Okay, I can imagine a bit. It would include National Guard troops being called into to action.
Obama followers right here on this board have, and continue to, worry me.
Why? We have pie and don’t bite…[sup]most of us anyway[/sup]
…and so is she?
Ducks and runs
No offense, but Hillary would be a terrible choice for the Supreme Court. Even if she could get confirmed, which she couldn’t, there’s nothing whatsoever in her career that indicates that she’s got the writing and analytical chops necessary to be a Supreme Court Justice.
Awful, awful, awful idea.
Yes- why, have you noticed an example right there, in your post? Clinton has “supporters”, which are positive and rational and nothing to worry about- while Obama has “followers”, which are scary and blind and a threat to you.
Clinton appreciators are surely not going to cause any problems, but Obama addicts and Barackophiles are something to be very very concerned about.