You might want to check this out, only change “Nader” to “Green”
You should still vote for the Democrats even if they have no chance to win this year. Politicians look at the numbers. If the Republicans expect to win by 65% and they only win by 55%, they will see the trend. And they will adjust their behavior in office accordingly.
i will. I’m a grown up.
There are about 40 states where your vote is irrelevant — states that have no chance of being the “tipping” state.
North Carolina is not one of those 40 states. Please rise above your petulance — or whatever it is — and vote correctly in the interest of your country and humanity.
I’m not thrilled about the prospect of voting for Biden or Bernie in the general either. Biden thinks we just need to rewind to 2015 and everything will be fine. And Bernie is too much of an ideologue, I’m not convinced he can actually make things happen. And when independents and conservatives accuse him of being too socialist, well that’s hard to dispute. But compared to Trump, it’s not even close, I will vote for either of them. Even though most likely my state is going red again. But Id love to be wrong about that.
Returning to the op -
It is too early to say.
Right now all I’d be willing to bet on is Biden vs some single one by the end and I’s hesitate to even make that bet.
Exactly right that Sanders has his solid base of support and a pretty firm ceiling as well. More firmly do not want him as the candidate than do I think and my WAG is that more Democratic primary voters are center Left than want anything revolutionary. (Even as many previously “progressive” positions have become the “center Left” positions.)
If it settles out to Biden v Sanders it is Biden.
If Biden fumbles hard (doubt), not even getting a bronze in either of the first two, making his electability argument less cogent, then center Left support would quickly shift to someone else, and not Buttigieg - too young yet and short on the CV for the mainstream. And Klobuchar has shown more chops as time went on but still doesn’t have the charisma or established support/recognition for the top of the ticket. I’d be thinking moneyball on SuperTuesday pays off and it is Bloomberg v Sanders (or less likely now, v Warren) with Bloomberg on top. And I could live with that.
The only adjustment I’ve seen Republicans making has been to amp up the voter suppression policies. I do not remotely think the Republican Party is gonna say, “Yikes, we’re close to losing the next election, we better moderate.”
In the primary I am voting for Yang if he is still in the race otherwise Bloomberg. Don’t have a problem with Sanders other than the fact I think there is no way he beats Trump. Hopefully Biden is not the nominee so I don’t have to decide to vote for him or green candidate.
But really… you must be yanking our chains a little bit. I sure HOPE you are yanking our chains…
It is your vote to do with as you please but I’m sure you understand the unique ineffectiveness of voting third party for prez in the USA. You must understand that there will be only two (2) contenders for the office, no more, no less, and if you vote for anyone other than those two then effectively, you have not voted for president.
Some choose to do that as a protest of some sort. That’s their right but I don’t approve of it. If you want your vote to affect the 2020 outcome you need to do two things:
- Vote
- Make a selection in the binary choice between: A) Dem or B) GOP
NOTE: Remember, at this time a US presidential election is a BINARY choice. You don’t have to vote but if you do you must vote for one of only two choices if you want your vote to matter.
Considering the above, Bijou, would you sincerely vote for Trump over Biden?
Would not vote for Trump ever in a million years. And to me a vote for Green party is not a vote for Trump. You are free to disagree on that point. I don’t see the race being close here in NC. Trump should win by at least 5 points barring some very strange thing happening between now and November.
I really,really hate that we only have 2 “real” choices. I would love to vote for a middle type party that is socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I know they have more than 2 parties in many places in Europe. Too bad we don’t have that here.
Also the NC GOP made it very easy to get Greens on the ballot here , they hoped it would hurt the Dems. Hasn’t really mattered so far.
You’re wrong. If you’re not voting for the only candidate who has a chance at beating Trump, then you’re helping Trump.
Exactly. They know that votes for the Green Party will help Trump get re-elected. Why are you helping them?
As I said in another thread, this is about voting not making wishes. You have to work with the situation that exists and make as much out of it as you can.
This is the year that we need to focus on getting Donald Trump out of office and doing whatever works best to accomplish that. Use a different year to send messages.
Don’t waste your time telling me to vote for a professional politician like Biden. I think he is going to implode again. Hopefully that happens before the convention. If it happens after and he’s the nominee that would be very bad. And I don’t think Biden can’t beat Trump anyway. I think there is a chance Bloomberg can beat Trump.
I don’t care if you vote for Biden, just make sure you vote for the Democrat. If that Democrat is Biden, well, that’s unpleasant for you but you still need to vote for the Democrat.
To respond to something you said recently: personally, I don’t believe a vote for the Green candidate is a vote for Trump. I believe it’s not a vote for POTUS at all. It is an abstention.
If you want to be a part of choosing the next president there are only two candidates to choose from. You know that.
North Carolina is enough of a swing state that people there need to be sure and vote for one of the two candidates. I hope you choose the Democrat even if it’s Biden.
If polls show NC is close I may hold my nose very tightly and vote for Biden. I really hope he implodes soon so a better candidate is picked. I simply don’t understand the appeal of the guy. Experience is important but you don’t need 40+ years of experience.
On the other hand , Bloomberg ran a city of 9 million people for 12 years. That’s larger than all but around 12 states. And Bloomberg got no money from his parents. He built his company from the ground up. Yes, he is super rich but I don’t hold that against him , why would I? For the most part he’s a standard Democrat in his positions. And yes he did bad stuff like stop and frisk in NYC.
You can rationalize it all you want, but sorry, if you vote against the candidate with the best shot of defeating Trump, you’re helping Trump win.
It’s one thing if you have two really repulsive candidates, but the worst of the remaining 11 candidates in the Democratic primary are better than the wrecking ball we have in office currently. And you really should know that.
I’ve never thought Bernie Sanders would be a particularly great president. I think Yang is extremely intelligent but highly inexperienced in politics and therefore woefully under-qualified. And Tulsi Gabbard just strikes me as a little ‘out there’. I’d still vote for any of those three if the top candidates somehow withdrew from the race.
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If polls show NC is close I may hold my nose very tightly and vote for Biden. …/QUOTE]
That is a reasonable position given your opinion of Biden. And given that polling has a reasonable error range I would hope that your definition of “close” is within even 6%.
I agree with this. If not for Bloomberg’s TV commercials, I wouldn’t know that Texas Democrats were even participating in the Super Tuesday primary only four weeks away.
Why does Biden have the best chance to beat Trump? Biden is too old ,washed up,his time is past , etc. Trump will carve him up like a Thanksgiving turkey. And yes I know Bloomberg is 77. Yang is my first choice , then Bloomberg.
If Biden is the nominee, it is overwhelmingly likely that the polls will be close.
Current RCP average is Biden +3.4 over Trump in NC.
A Bernie volunteer came to my front door today – the first time I’ve ever gotten a canvasser at my door. We had a nice conversation.