Clinton claimed that there’s bipartisan legislation being worked on. I’d be very interested in seeing what Democrats are asking for.
It passed already.
Ah, okay, bureaucratic gobbledygook. Harmless.
Why would you be surprised that I want the president and the rest of the political class to take security seriously? Can’t they afford a virus checker or a sticky note on the monitor that says don’t give a random link your password?
Why do you think I get irritated when people dismiss the seriousness of handling classified material, etc? It’s because sloppiness leads to real life consequences. We have procedures to prevent the Chinese and Russians from getting the exabytes of data they do. However, laziness and complacency defeat good procedures.
I also want the president to stop drawing red lines he has no intention of enforcing. Now the Chinese stole one of our drones and we aren’t going to do a damn thing to get it back.
What should he have done? I don’t know. I’m not the president and I don’t have a ton of experts advising on this situation. At the very least call the DNC and let them know they are compromised.
That’s ridiculous. Why should the Russians after the collapse of the USSR have been treated as an enemy? They were weak economically and militarily and the US has been steadily encircling them. If you were the leader of Russia wouldn’t you feel a little uneasy with the advance of NATO, bases in former Soviet republics, and missile defense?
I’m not saying Putin is a nice guy I just don’t see the need to destabilize the balance of power to the degree we have strategically.
Bottom line. (My bold.)
Do you people SERIOUSLY think **all **the President did and **all **he plans to do is tell the Russians to “cut it out”? :rolleyes: I’ll repeat what I said in another thread, “Does anyone else besides me remember when covert activities used to be covert?”
Damn right.
Yeah, the same debates where Trump was so flat on his lazy orange ass that he couldn’t say anything worth listening to anyway. He was horrible.
I’m sure there are.
Unlike your guy, the government (not just Obama) was waiting for information and evidence, before saying something. Because this is a serious serious accusation. Your guy just says whatever shit comes out of his gob, and fuck the facts. In fact YOUR guy
asked the Russians to hack.
But after the fact he keeps modifying the story, So who’s the fool?
Who’s the fool here? I don’t think it’s me.
да.
Okay, reasonable points – my question should have been “what do you think Obama should have said publicly about it at the time that he didn’t”. From my understanding, the FBI did work with the DNC on this after it came to light, but it was kept quiet because Obama didn’t want to be seen as acting politically.
Recovering deleted emails the FBI couldn’t is hacking now? Plus Trump was joking.
And regardless the only fault for what was written in embarrassing emails is, as many have found out, the actual writer’s.
Which strikes me as odd. Security seems like it should be apolitical.
And honestly maybe there wasn’t much any one could do after the phishing attempts succeeded. I just think it’s disingenuous to blame Trump or the Republicans for the Democrats poor security.
I agree they shouldn’t be blamed for the poor security, or for the release of info, but they should be blamed for trivializing and dismissing the concerns over Russian involvement.
There’s lots of blame and criticism to go around – no single thing alone lost the election for Hillary. And no single thing, or one Republican, allowed Trump to win. The Republicans should be heavily criticized for their support of Trump during the campaign, and for their trivializing of Russian interference, and continued support for Trump since the election and some of his nutty nominations.
I don’t know if one shouldn’t work with Trump now. You can work with people you dislike to get stuff done. We worked with Stalin in the 40s to defeat Hitler. You play the hand you’re dealt.
Ultimately, this needs to serve as a warning that security, including not having illegal private servers, is serious business.
Just as importantly, the “great game” the US is engaged in his consequences. Russia warned a decade ago they’d act asymmetrically with regards to missile defense encroachment. You ever listen to any of Putin’s speeches? He’s basically begging the US not to exacerbate the power differential. Why don’t we take other nation’s legitimate security points of view into consideration? I’m not saying this because I’m a Russian apologist. I’m saying this because a unipolar world where #2 and #3 are powerful nuclear states is unstable. If they believe we are approaching a safe first strike capability they might be compelled to act.
I would certainly agree about missile defense – MAD (mutually assured destruction) requires that we develop offensive parity, but not any attempt to defeat a mass missile strike. Effective missile defense destroys the incentive not to launch nuclear weapons. But on missile defense, I trust the Democrats far more, with no history of trying to develop that technology. Obama has avoided missile defense while also trying to reduce missile stockpiles. I trust that Putin is not a madman who wants war, but I also trust that he wants the US to be less prosperous and influential such that Russia would have comparatively more.
When you take question after question from your friend, you should at the very least fail the test.
You certainly shouldn’t get the job.
No, there is a shit ton more evidence for Hillary cheating than there is for Hillary getting the questions and then informing the debate committee about the breach.
I don’t believe for a second that the Hillary apologists on this board would be nearly as sanguine about cheating if it was discovered that Trump had gotten debate questions before his debates with Hillary.
I mean for fucks sake, Nixon nearly got impeached over trying to cheat during an election. He was also hard working and competent by every measure, should we have just let that slide? After all it probably didn’t make a difference in the election outcome.
Normalizing what?
ISTM that the Hillary apologists are normalizing cheating. WTF am I normalizing? The truth?
If the basic universal income is not high enough to sustain even a poverty standard of living, it doesn’t achieve the goal of freeing people from the coercion of having to work to feed their children that would justify eliminating the minimum wage.