Yeah, that’s – imagine the response if someone struck up a conversation with you using the famous “I’m not a racist, but” phrase. “Hey, I’m not a racist,” he tells you, “but you and me, we both know that half of all the blacks in this country are, well, just irredeemable. But, thankfully, they aren’t America, see? Heh. No, they’re not. Now, as for the other half of the blacks, the ones who mostly just vote wrong…”
Are you still listening to him?
What if someone comes into a thread you’re reading and posts an insanely stupid and insulting analogy? Are you still reading his bullshit?
Good one.
And a hearty “heh”
Well, probably; I’m a terrific guy who believes in learning from people, so, yeah.
But your reply points to what the problem may well have been for Hillary Clinton: a good deal of people who heard her say “insanely stupid and insulting” stuff could’ve simply responded the way you just did. I mean, again, I kept listening after I heard her say stupid and insulting stuff – but other people, people like you, they might have reacted like you did. Gives a bloke pause, it does.
Jesus. It’s the attitude. Black people don’t fit here, Mexicans don’t fit here.
White supremacists, sovereign citizens, people who use the word “libtard” fit here.
Why is this hard?
Except that’s a terrible analogy. Plus she was if anything being far too generous and conciliatory.
The Democrats lost because for decades they’ve refused to condemn the Republicans, instead of trying to compromise with them and suck up to them. That has made them look weak, barely able to accomplish anything, and convinced their own base that they’d rather suck up to bigots than fight them. So their base doesn’t vote.
Also, it’s silly to pretend that calling people names is bad for getting elected when that’s exactly how Trump and the Republicans got elected. Demonizing the other side works.
Well, that’s a real shame, if it’s true. I mean, I think I’m in the base, and I of course voted for Hillary Clinton – just like I voted for Obama before her, and Kerry before him, and Gore before him, and, heck, before that was another Clinton, and I voted for him, too; so “for decades” I’ve been polishing up my bona fides by turning out to vote – and most of the voters this last go-round were apparently with me.
But, hey, if you think we can win more by following the Trump model…
…well, then, why was she so “generous and conciliatory”, in your opinion? Why all the sunny talk about how, when they go low, we go high? Why wasn’t demonization the order of the day? I’m entirely serious: why do you think the Democrats failed to do what you say “is exactly how Trump and the Republicans got elected”?
The problem is, when you put other’s interests ahead of your own, and others put their interests ahead of your own, they win.
We have seen that one of those avenues is much easier than the other. People who are less informed are easier to manipulate with rhetoric.
In order for the democrats to win, they either need to adopt the republican strategy of winning at all costs, even if the efforts harm the community that they are to represent, or to convince the voters to listen. Listen to the whole speech, not just the soundbite on the news. Listen to the opposition, as they may actually have ideas that are interesting and workable. Listen to other communities in the country that are affected by your vote. Listen, and don’t just listen, but be engaged, and seek out information to fill any gaps that you may have in your understanding of the issues and how the candidates address them.
If your knowledge of Obama’s “you didn’t build that” speech, or clinton’s “We are going to put alot of coal minors out of work” line begins and ends on those lines, you are poorly informed as to the going ons of the world.
I would hope that the dems do not take up this winning strategy, because then we have neither party based in reality, but I can see the temptation when doing the right thing costs you.
It would be better if the republican party would grow up, and stop playing on paranoia and the demonization of the other, but I don’t see them doing that until it stops being a winning strategy for them, why stop what works, right?
So, in the end, it is not on either party to choose the direction of the country, that is up to the voters.
Here’s to better informed voters in the future.
Because they have a deep, irrational conviction that if they play nice, the Republicans will be feel obligated to place nice too. and are surprised again and again when the Republicans don’t play along. They have a deep seated, irrational belief that the Republicans are well meaning but misguided people who care about the country and want to do the right thing.
They think that the Republican base cares more about doing the moral and self interested thing than they do about harming others; while the Republicans realize that their base hates the majority of America to the point of self destruction, and are willing to suffer and die as long as they take everyone who isn’t a copy of them down with themselves.
I was referring to the incest with his daughter. I agreed that videos of him fucking his daughter is something that he could be controlled with. I don’t think it likely that he has been fucking his daughter.
The other Waldo Pepper wrote: "Yeah, that’s – imagine the response if someone struck up a conversation with you using the famous “I’m not a racist, but” phrase. “Hey, I’m not a racist,” he tells you, “but you and me, we both know that half of all the blacks in this country are, well, just irredeemable. But, thankfully, they aren’t America, see? Heh. No, they’re not. Now, as for the other half of the blacks, the ones who mostly just vote wrong…”
Are you still listening to him?"
The difference is that a person is born with their race but chooses their politics.
Well, how about someone who writes off half of all Muslims before breezily opining about the other half? Or one who says – oh, what would Trump say? – something deplorable about half of all immigrants, and then goes on to mention what he finds problematic about the other half? Or a candidate for office who rants about half of all the country’s atheists – who, you know, aren’t really America?
My actual point was that you actually took the notion proposed by Dasmoochers seriously and if that doesn’t cause you to stop and reflect on how far your instincts are taking you off the deep end, then I don’t know what will.
I think that you are going to latch on to any excuse you can find to further vilify a man that already has many many vile traits. Why not just deal with his clear and obvious flaws? Why do you have to engage in speculation about conspiracy theories to make him almost mythically sinister. He’s not some fucking evil mastermind, hes a fucking bobblehead.
You’re being retarded.
Trumps moral issues is what makes it so significant that Hillary was so bad. Never once do I compare Trump favorably with Hillary. Trump’s suckiness does nothing to mitigate Hillary’s suckiness especially considering that she fucking lost to the bobblehead.
Do you really need me to cite to the posts where I criticize Trump? The fact that I don’t think he is a manchurian candidate does not mean I am in denial about how bad Trump is.
This is starting to develop into birther levels of delusion and retardedness.
Not for nothing but that concern about white kids overdosing on heroin did not manifest in the same way that concerns about black kids dying because of crack did.
Right because Hillary wasn’t running a campaign based on how horrible Trump was, she ran a campaign based on reconciliation and her strengths and merits.:rolleyes:
She was trying to run a mostly positive campaign, was mostly honest, and had real proposals to make the nation better. But that’s not what people wanted; they wanted lies, bigotry and malice. So she lost.
The Other Waldo Pepper wrote: “Well, how about someone who writes off half of all Muslims before breezily opining about the other half? Or one who says – oh, what would Trump say? – something deplorable about half of all immigrants, and then goes on to mention what he finds problematic about the other half? Or a candidate for office who rants about half of all the country’s atheists – who, you know, aren’t really America?”
So, your central point remains that trump supporters resent being lumped in with, and judged by, the words and actions of the worst among them. I get that but, when you think about it, it’s kinda eye-ronic.
Your “actual point” we already have heard a thousand times man. It was wrong and you are doing it to distract. It gets more wrong with each days news cycle. I was making my own point and you are working yourself into lathers just to say “retarded!” over and over again.
“Ohh someone sees trumps ties to russia. RETARDED!” What the fuck point could you possibly be making other than “Don’t look over there at what’s happening!!”
The retard talk is not pointing the finger away from you. In fact it does the opposite.
The notions that Trump is either somehow allied with Russia against us, or liable to some salacious Russian blackmail are the definitely the most retarded things I’ve heard in the past few weeks. I think it’s getting more retarded the more I hear it, and gaining ground to become the most retarded thing I’ve heard so fart this this week.
But it’s only Monday. :smack:
I know right? And even that is still not as retarded as voting against Hillary in 2016. Weird.