Yeah, so? What’s your point? He’s not a choirboy. We knew that.
He’s also unlikely to be a Russian spy or triple agent or any other kind of ridiculous conspiracy. His motives aren’t that hard to understand. That’s my point.
Then we agree. What gets me is that this game is so high level, but natural low level mooks like him and Rudy–or Trump, even–are playing it. IRL they wouldn’t rate ten minutes in a CourTV documentary.
It is embarrassing.
Exactly the same thing that will happen if he is not discredited: Nothing whatsoever. Parnas cannot hurt Trump because it doesn’t matter what Trump did; the GOP is behind him.
Except he has no proffer agreement with SDNY. In fact if he did, they would have told him to STFU. That’s why I think his motives are somewhat more complex.
Also, he isn’t trying to deflect suspicion away from himself. He readily admits his role in the conspiracy.
I agree he is about as dirty as they come. But so are lots of criminals who flip in RICO-type cases.
That, plus the Epstein “suicide.” I would be terrified to go to prison if I had undisclosed information that could hurt Trump, Pompeo, Barr, or people with similar power.
Excellent observations every one.
Let’s not forget that Trump himself released the ‘perfect’ phone call transcript where he tried to bribe or extort (YMMV) the leader of an allied county. An ally that was being attacked by a hostile government. The leader of which that Trump has private phone calls and meetings with, and… well we may see what type of business dealings. How much does Trump owe Russia anyway? He couldn’t get any loans from American banks.
Putin is having a great time playing our President as the fool he is. And it wasn’t hard at all. We KNOW that Trump is a moron among his many ‘attributes’. And a child emotionally. Putin’s housekeepers gardeners helper could get Trump to do anything they want.
As long as they praised him. My dogs have more awareness than Trump does. They are not stupid.
I very much believe that Trump, The President of the United States never developed emotionally, or intellectually beyond about 8-9 years old. Stay with me here… If, as a child, you discover that you will never want for anything, and you will never be punished, how do you turn out?
For some, like DJT there would be no need to develop, or study. Or even examine the world. No point in it. Work is bothersome. Everyone else must be wrong.
That is the President of the United States.
I’ve said before that I feel Trump groups everyone into four groups.
- Donald Trump: the central figure of the universe
- People who are useful to Donald Trump: they’re good
- People who cause problems for Donald Trump; somebody should remove them
- People who are neither good or bad for Donald Trump: these people don’t matter
The only “group” Donald Trump does things for is the first one. He doesn’t do things for people in the second group; they exist to do things for him. And if they stop being useful to him, like by getting arrested while committing a crime for him, they immediately drop down to the fourth group.
You could work loyally for Trump for forty years and then one day you’d need a small favor. And it would never occur to him to give you the favor, even if it cost him nothing. Because giving you a favor would not benefit him and benefiting himself is the only motivation Trump has.
Does Pamas sport Russian chloroplasts?
The Art of the Deal : “If anyone is happy besides me, the deal failed because I must have left something on the table”
I get really frustrated with threads like this.
Trump does not play intergalactic 35th dimensional chess. He’s barely playing tic-tac-toe. Please repeat that as many times as necessary.
I do get it. Nearly always, he and, by association, the people around him do nearly inexplicably stupid things, lie about them, and brazen it out because they have been allowed to get away with outright fabrications. But in our search for a spec of intelligent rationale, we build byzantine theories so the world resembles the one we believe should exist.
We’ve all been turned into conspiracy theorists, but the conspiracy theory is that all people, especially the ones in high political office, have a modicum of basic human intellect and that they eschew their lizard brain instincts for well-considered actions. That’s clearly not true for the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
All have been turned into conspiracy theorists? Maybe I’m not following you here.
I just go by the fact that Trump is a stupid asshole that doesn’t give a shit about anyone but himself. He’s proved that again and again.
Everything else just follows.
Can you point to what conspiracy you think anyone in this thread has bought into?
Speaking for myself, I have no notions of Trump playing intergalactic 35th dimensional chess. In fact, I think you’ve overestimated him if you think he’s even playing tic-tac-toe. He’s flailing like the malevolent juvenile ego he is, lashing out at everything in his efforts to avoid accountability. As he has always done. Shocking how well this reptilian tactic has worked in our American politics.
Trump isn’t playing intergalactic 35th dimensional chess, and neither are the people nearest to him – except perhaps Putin. But others with access have agendas they’ve long pursued and saw their best chance in a useful idiot like Trump. Have you noticed how many former Cheney people are slithering around Trump’s den?
In case you’re referring to the Epstein thing, if you’ve read any of my posts on the subject – and I have no reason to believe that you have – you’d know that I have never subscribed to the notion that Epstein was murdered, only that those in charge allowed the conditions to exist that might have given Epstein the runway he required to do what he’d already said he intended to do: Kill himself.
I will add, however, that Epstein’s broken hyoid bone, a rarity in suicides, does give one pause on that score when taken together with all the other irregularities surrounding his death. There were lots of irregularities. Enough that were I Lev Parnas, I probably wouldn’t sleep too well at the notion of being under the control of William Barr’s DOJ without making sure that if something happened to me after I shared my information, it would be worthy of an in-depth investigation.
I think Parnas singing like a canary is down to not much more than, “If something happens to me when I’m in custody, you know where to start your investigation.”
Agree. Not just the DOJ, Vlad has managed international assassinations, as Parnas well knows.
In case you’re wondering why he chose to name his company Fraud Guarantee…well, he wanted to confound anyone running a Google search for Lev Parnas fraud.
Read the OP. Heck, read the thread title.
Of course we’re “just asking questions”, right?
I addressed the thread title specifically in my Post #19. Sorry you missed it.
I’m not really sure what burr is under your saddle about my opinions, but I’m entitled to mine about what motivates Parnas and the veracity of his statements. I care far less about what he says and far more about the documentary evidence he brings to the table.
Then why did you ask such a stupid question?
The trial will be a pig-circus.
The ONE thing I would have tried to do as a Dem Senator is to get all Senators on video taking the oath. Instead of taking the oath all at once, I think every Dem Senator should have stood up and sworn the oath individually on camera. Dare the Republicans to do the same.
Every single thing about this trial will be sickening fraud. The most important part of the whole affair should have been carefully documented — 53 heinous excuses for human beings standing up and perjuring themselves before Man and God.