There’s some evidence starting to come out that there may have been a conspiracy to organize a hit on Yovanovitch. Assuming that Trump is involved in this at any level certainly, that would be a 100% impeachable* right?
Are there any Trumpists or Trumpist-lite that would like to state a position on this in advance of any additional evidence emerging? Is anybody willing to say unequivocally in advance that they would support his removal from office over this (if true)? Or inversely would like to say, in advance, that they would not support his removal because <reasons> (e.g., the president has every right to order a hit on an American ambassador)?
I’m using impeach here in the colloquial sense of including subsequent removal.
I would think that definitive proof of a hit ordered on Yovanovitch at Trump’s order or with his assent would fall under the umbrella of attempted murder- she’s an American citizen and as such, should have any issues handled through the justice system, not through extrajudicial means.
I can’t see how anyone in the GOP or right-wing could actually defend that- it would be deliberate flaunting of the rule of law and in effect saying that it’s ok to murder people as long as you’re the President.
Also… I can see that resulting in a trial once he’s out of office.
In view of BrotherCadfael’s response. To be clear, this isn’t a gotcha. I’m only talking about if Trump was involved in organizing/ordering a hit on Yovanovitch. If a mod would like to add “on Yovanovitch” to the subject line, time that would be fine with me.
I would hope this gets a full investigation.
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[li]Trump says that Yovanovich “will go through some things”[/li][li]Trump cronies apparently have Yovanovich under physical surveillance paying special attention to the security detail surrounding her.[/li][li]Trump crony notes that you can get anything done in Ukraine if you’re willing to pay.[/li][li]Ukrainian security service contacts Yovanovich in the middle of the night and says she’s in danger. Leave the country immediately.[/li][/ul]
Rather than whatever grisly shit you’re imagining, they probably just wanted to know who she was meeting with in order to keep ahead of her or to discredit her.
As has been pointed out several times in the past, anything is impeachable if Congress says it is.
I’m going to stick my neck way, way out there and say Yes. If Trump conspired to have an ambassador murdered, he should be impeached and removed from office. I am sure you are all in awe of my courageous commitment to principle, but that is a burden I have learned to bear humbly.
I am hoping this isn’t an attempt at a gotcha where you suddenly reveal that Trump had some American citizen killed in a drone strike in Afghanistan, but I am an incurable optimist.
No gotcha. Not from me anyway, and I hope not from anybody else. My intent is purely about the recent evidence that suggests there may have been at least a conspiracy to plan the assassination of Yovanavitch.
Honestly, I’m not expecting anybody to say they wouldn’t support removal. I cannot imagine how, and at least from my own selfish point of view, any attempt ought to be hilarious. I can imagine some people will try to skirt the issue and not answer the question.
***If ***Trump did such a thing, ***and ***the evidence was overwhelming and clear, he’d be impeached and deposed, for sure. Likely a unanimous vote in House + Senate. You’d have President Pence by the end of the week.
This is an admirable stance and I applaud you for it. However, I do not believe Republicans in office would vote to convict nor would it move the needle for his base. You certainly have principles, but Moscow Mitch does not. As long as he gets his right wing judges and the base will not move, there is no chance for conviction.
It’s pretty amazing to read. Also being an incurable optimist, I suspect that Dr. Jekyll’s alter-ego was just playing at being a mob boss because he’s a rich idiot and got caught up in using innuendo, rather than actually making a serious attempt at assassination.