Is McCain forked yet?

Ya know, not everyone likes to be called “working class.” She couldn’t say she was leading with working class people, because that wasn’t true. She was leading with working class white people, but she didn’t want to call them working class. So she called them hard-working, and she’s been labelled a racist for that. That’s ridiculous.

I’m not enormously fond of Clinton, and preferred Obama as a candidate. Tempermentally, I think Obama is better suited to the presidency. But this is absurd. Neither of the Clintons are racist. She was bending over backwards not to offend anyone, and ended up offending someone, as often happens. I swear, the national sport isn’t football, it’s recreational outrage.

Cite for “white”?:dubious:

Or maybe just saw in the mirror.

I expect to see Rev. Wright hauled out of mothballs, though I think most of the damage from that direction has already been done.

But you have not yet begun to hear about Rev. Muthee and witchcraft…

A Witch Hunt at Sarah Palin’s church! (Thomas Muthee VIDEO)

Good heavens. They openly say that not only should they be saved, but they should be rich and powerful here on earth. What possible doctrinal justification do they have for that? Jesus didn’t much care for the rich and powerful. Money changers and camels through eyes of needles and rendering unto Caesar and all that, as I recall.

Prosperity theology

Its so…convenient. Just like predestination or confession and forgiveness.

Cite.

Do you really think no one said it back fired on her? Are you going to be that disingenuous?

You really have to *want *to find racism to find it there.:rolleyes:

To say it backfired on her, you first have to say she tried it.

Oh, come on!

The subtitles (inserted by whom?) link “witchcraft” to Buddhism and Islam, but he did not actually make the link in the portions of the talk in the video. He did complain that Buddhism, Islam, and witchcraft are “in” our schools, but he did not say that either of them were witchcraft. He did not call any specific group witches.

He may have made the link elsewhere, but not in that video.
As for the rest, it was pretty much boilerplate stuff from his end of the religious spectrum. It was not even that offensive; each of his calls for Christians to enter the system was immediately followed up with the explicit example that good people should enter the fields of education, government, or where ever and support Christian beliefs.

I can see disagreeing with his message, but his talk in this edited video was far less inflammatory than a couple of Rev. Wright’s sermons–and I don’t think that Wright said anything terrible in the context of his actual remarks.

He did not claiom it was racism. He claimed that Hillary made a race-based appeal that she was the stronger candidate because she had support in the specific demographic. She clearly did do that. And my memory is that while it did not “backfire” on her (as her candidacy was already pretty low in the water by that point), she did catch flak for using that particular appeal.

I wasn’t particularly offended by Rev. Wright, however some people are easily offended. There appears to be enough known about Muthee that a stink could be raised.

You got all *that *from the words “such a tactic”? That reference, if you’d scroll up a bit, was to eleanorigby’s phrase “preying on the fears and prejudices of middle class white America re race” - i.e. race-baiting, as I said.

How you see noting one’s relative strength in a particular demographic as being equivalent to *that *is puzzling indeed.

You mean the end that runs old women out their homes and out of town for being a witch? This is the guy you want to defend?

She basically told people that Obama won’t win because white people won’t vote for a black guy. Why else would it matter that she has more white supporters?

You can conclude that this is merely stating a statistic, but I think it’s a play on racist fears. The fear that white people won’t vote for a black guy.

She was struggling to find a demographic with whom she was winning, so that she could justify staying in the race. She wasn’t ready to give up quite yet. White working-class men was the one she had.

Don’t get me wrong. I think Hillary would have been perfectly willing to take the votes of those who feared voting for Obama just because of his race, just as I think Obama would have been perfectly willing to take the votes of those who feared voting for Obama just because of her sex. One often gets the votes of people one would personally feel distaste for. But I don’t think the Clintons fostered racism one bit more than Obama fostered sexism, which is to say not at all. I repeat what I said above - it would have been political suicide for her, and she’s not the type to commit suicide.

That was a legitimate concern. Go visit my home state of Alabama then come talk about whether some whites will refuse to vote for a black guy.

I got “all that” by going back and reading the actual statement by Senator Clinton in the context in which it was delivered.
This differs form your claim that there was a charge of “racism,” (you did not say “race-baiting,” you said “racism”), that does not appear in any of the posts in this series–except yours.

You have an actual citation that Muthee has actually encouraged such an action?

And I am not really defending him so much as cautioning those who oppose Palin to avoid getting so into demonizing her and her associations that they open themselves to charges of exaggeration and mendacity.
Note that I never claimed that Muthee has never said anything terrible; I pointed out that the video linked does not support the charge.