Can you try participating here on an adult level? :rolleyes: Gawdamm …
Pot meet kettle …
Well I can go now, the giggle that Elvis just gave me will sustain me for hours!
When come back, bring argument.
If you know how.
Except I am not a Clinton Supporter. :rolleyes:
I wonder just how many people out there in America right now in 2008 will not vote for Obama simply because of race.
About as many as who would not vote for Hillary because of her sex.
But in both cases, they are the sort of dudes who wouldn’t vote for a Dem in any case.
Often said, but wrong. There are plenty of racists and sexists in the Democratic ranks.
Well, that’s nice 20/20 hindsight, but the election is 6 months away. A lot can happen in 6 months.
Oh?? I apologize then. I thought you were.
Dr.D - Why do you think Obama needs Clinton to win Florida?
And general question: How has McCain proven he is going to be a rock hard solid candidate against Obama. I would think McCain’s camp is trying to figure out how the hell they are going to beat Obama.
Obama is seen as the guy who blocked Fla delegation from being seated. Clnton did far better there and consitently polls far better there. He doesn’t nessesarily need HRC on his ticket, but he does need her and Bill to campiagn there for him. And he has to do something about seating their delegates. The fact he hasn’t done anything about it is proof the nomination is not over yet- when it’s over, who-ever is the winner will make some gesture to seat some % of the Fla delegates.
McCain isn’t “rock solid”. But as things stand now, he will likely win (by a small margin) vs Obama and lose badly vs HRC.
Of cours, things will change, no doubt. But if one assumes that that “thing will change” favourably towards your candidate, then your thinking is clouded. Things could just as well get worse.
Fla is key. Look, in the Electoral college, the states are “winner take all” (a couple of small states do thing slightly different, they don’t really matter). Obama’s "small state strategy won’t work there. So, the Big Prize is CA, and that will go Dem. TX will go GOP. NY will go Dem. Those are pretty solid. So the next two are Fla- and that’s very very borderline. Then there’s Ohio, again, a very precarious state. And finally MI, another state that blames Obama for it’s delegates not being seated. In all 3 states, HRC is very strong and Obama is very weak. Obama can win Ohio, :dubious: but I can’t see him winning Fl or MI without Clinton help.
Compare this
to this
There’s a big ol’ pot of shit bubbling quietly on the back burner. Iraq. McCain is married to Iraq, if it blows up, he’s fucked. Even if it just keeps simmering lightly, he’s got a tough row to ho.
Iran might save his bacon for him. An Iran brokered peace agreement in Iraq, that permits a troop drawdown that McCain can claim credit for (you know, don’t you, that its all because of the surge, and the surge was McCain’s idea…) Perhaps the Bushiviks might hesitate to claim credit for this victory in a spasm of conscience. For about a nanosecond.
Wouldn’t that be a choice bit of ghastly irony? The Iranian mullahs elect John McCain.
This is a tough road to walk down right now because Clinton is still campaigning like she may win the nomination. The entire race will change when Clinton is standing up for her fellow democrat and presidential nominee Obama. Those maps on electoral vote dot com will change drastically when Hill and Bill are standing up and campaigning for Obama. They will inevitably change. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Hill and Bill campaigning for Obama quite heavily in FL and MI.
And the truth about FL and MI is that Obama is not preventing anything from happening - whether or not folks like us on the SDMB are dissecting every poll or every pundits point of view, this decision was made long ago and Obama was not the cause of the entire mess. No matter how anyone wants to twist it. I’m not saying you are twisting it at all Dr.D - I’m saying what you wrote in the quoted above is going to change, and change a lot over the next 3 months. I bet we will see a lot of fluctuations happening while the nomination process drags on, but once there is a clear winner the maps will change.
Ouch - this doesn’t sound very good for Clinton.
Mere woolgathering, and unrelated to the status of the election anyway.
Is this anything more than the anti-Clinton cheerleading we’ve seen so much of here these last few months?
I’m not anti-clinton cheerleading - I’m trying to look past the primary. That article talks about after the primary. I’ll mention it again; I don’t hate Mrs.Clinton.
Then what was that doing in a McCain-forking thread?
Creating a 3-D View? 
My New England humor is sometimes not very humorous.
McCain, back in 2000, about his plans for 2008.
But 9/11 changed everything! Didn’t you hear?
Phl part of what we need to do to help the healing is to not take the bait. I have no idea what motivates various people (and would only make such accusations in the appropriate forum anyway) but the worst thing right now is for those who want a Democratic victory in November to engage in combat with those allegedly still supporting Clinton and get baited into conflicts that can only worsen divisions. I personally am going to practice my controlled breathing exercises when I read various posts … at least the ones that aren’t so out there that I laugh out loud!
In short, you are right. It is past the point. This thread allegedly is about McCain v Obama. The consensus to the op is apparently no, McCain is not yet forked. Some believe he is well positioned for a victory (DD). Some believe that Obama will end up winning closely. Some believe that Obama will have a blow-out but agree that it is too early to have much confidence about it.