Is the verb 'to bogart' should be official. Driving your old English teacher crazy.

Do you use bogart to mean “take over” or “hog”? Is it an "official’ word? Where is the list of official English words kept? What word do you think should be on that list but isn’t. Copasetic has made it by now, surely. And, a bit off subject, Humphrey always seemed pretty laid back for someone so hard bitten. How’d he get to be the takeover guy?

Dang, the subject shouldn’t have that ‘Is’ in there.

There is no list, but the Oxford English Dictionary lists it, so people use it.

The OED also says the word can mean “to bully.”

Both “copacetic” and “bogart” seem to be in the dictionaries I checked. And they are both valid Scrabble words, to boot, depending on the word list you are using. “Bogart” seems to be allowed by all, but “Copacetic” is not in the Hasbro Scrabble dictionary, but appears to be in the other ones.

This is a great ted talk for anyone wondering what it means for a word to be real.

I use bogart all the time, for what it’s worth.

Bogart as the word for hogging something or taking over came from Humphrey Bogart of course. Bogart usually was seen with a cigarette constantly dangling from his mouth. So, someone who is hogging a joint instead of passing it is said to be like Humphrey Bogart with his cigarette.

So what is the story regarding “copacetic”? I did not know that it was previously considered a discromulent word.

It’s unclear where “copacetic” comes from. That’s not all that unusual; no one is really sure where a simple word like “bird” comes from.

Cecil couldn’t even figure it out.. But it only came to being in the beginning of last century. I heard the Bojangles version of its creation first.

I know you can’t name your character “Bogart” in EQ.

Damn, I didn’t know anyone still used ‘bogart’ that way.

But I haven’t been around people smoking dope in a third of a century either, so I guess I wouldn’t be up on current usage.

Someone told me about a particular scene for the origin of this phrase, but I can’t recall what. Something like a shared cigarette he just left in his mouth as you describe.

I didn’t know until today that bogart initially meant hogging joints. I thought the word come from Humphrey’s noirish gangster image. You know, tough guy taking over type of thing.

I first heard it from someone complaining about mixed nuts. “Hey, don’t bogart all the cashews!”

So, if OED has it it’s a word? Somebody who is a member look up cromulent. I tried but I don’t subscribe.

It’s not in the OED but that doesn’t mean it’s not a word. If you can say it and the listener understands what you intend it to mean, it’s a word.

If you have access to a public library, often you can log in to the OED database through an online portal by verifying you have an active account with the library.

It isn’t in the OED(currently), but check back every few years. :cool:

It’s from the Simpsons back around 1996. Also see “embiggen.”

I know where it’s from. I’m interested in made up words becoming “official”. Bogart and copacetic are now “real words” according to the OED but I know my tenth grade English teacher would put on her pith helmet and banished the word immediately if I tried to use it in an essay. I’m not kidding about the helmet. Ms Geliak was a character and liked to wear the helmet when she read from Beowulf out loud.

All words are made up. Their place in language is determined by who created them and who uses them. If a word is formed by a philosophy professor and gets used in lots of academic writing, it gets a polishing of legitimacy. If a word is coined by a 12 year old wordsmith and never rises out of a particular region’s children’s argot, it will be considered informal and colloquial. But both words are as truly words as the other. Your 10th grade english teacher was trying to teach you a particular variety of english that she herself prized as prestigious and that she had good reason to believe other people would consider prestigious but there’s nothing innately more legitimate about it than the variety of english you’d speak at home or with your friends. It’s a failing of english teachers both now and in the past that they let students leave their classroom thinking that because a word isn’t classified a certain way it isn’t real or it isn’t acceptable to use.