Is there anything to be gained by talking about 2012's College Football this early?

I need a CFB fix! What makes sense to talk about here in March? The NFL Draft? Recruiting? The new conferences? The 2012 schedules? Surely there’s something we can get into for all us die-hard CFB fans…

Well, here’s Phil Steele’s projected AP top 24

Could also talk about spring scrimmages and depth charts.

Big surprise. Phil has Texas at only 22. I’d figure they’d be much higher after their fantastic recruiting year.

Mike Leach is the new coach at my Alma. Throw the shit out of it. We can’t make lineman but we sure can make quarterbacks.

I don’t see this as a surprise at all. Until Texas figures out the quarterback situation, they won’t be a good team. Also, very few of the incoming class will be difference makers in year one. I’d say that J. Gray is really the only player who will play a huge role this year, and even he won’t likely start.

The O-Line is one of the more interesting aspects of Leach’s offense. They are spread out considerably further than your typical line. Also, a Leach quarterback is usually someone who has been in his system a few years and is smart. The emphasis is on timing and accuracy.

I guess in a little surprised that Mizzou didn’t make his top 24. After a rough start the returning Qb (junior James Franklin) really turned it on. They also added the #1 recruit in the country WR Dorial Green-beckman. SEC here we come.

Wisconsin grabs another ACC quarterback graduate transfer, Danny O’Brien of Maryland. Whew, because the Wisconsin QB cupboard was damn near close to empty thanks to injuries. O’Brien’s actually got two years of eligibility left, so no need to rush the guy most UW fans are crossing their fingers for, Bart Houston of out De La Salle in the California Bay Area.

No. :smiley:

Even with DGB, Missouri only had the #31 recruiting class according to rivals.com. Ten of your new conference rivals were ranked higher. Welcome to the SEC.

There’s a breakdown of the new conferences for the 124 teams now in the Bowl Subdivision at 2012 NCAA Division I FBS football season but I have yet to find any early rankings estimates of all 124. Anybody else know of such?

I don’t put a lot of stock into recruiting class rankings (Texas consistently has a top class according to the rankings, and it hasn’t worked out for them the last few seasons), as a 18 year old is still developing. It seems that kids will be 3-star until a top school gives an offer, and all of a sudden they’re 5-star players.

As for Missouri, they have produced NFL quality players with the top schools in the nation recently. And none of them were top recruits as seniors in high school.

I also want to say that the reason I even mentioned DGB, is that he really is heads-n-shoulders above most all incoming freshmen. Analyst around here have said that he could make a NFL roster right now (of course with the WR talent the two NFL teams in Missouri have at the moment this isn’t saying a whole lot).

I was thinking the exact same thing about Texas. Not just last few years but for as long as I can remember they have top ranked recruiting classes but rarely does their performance match their recruiting class ranking.

I think your points are valid and also a good coach can get a lot of mileage out of a middle of the road set of players, and how well a player performs depends on a variety of factors. There are clearly top talents, but it’s just one piece of the puzzle.

There may be some other OOC games worth mentioning, but here’s a crack at some that ought to be worth trying to see:
Mark your calendars now: Here are the season’s best nonconference games

Which games can we add to the list?

I’m probably the only one here who thought you were talking about Alma (MI) College.

I had no idea, they even have a football team “The Scots”

I have yet to find anything after January that attempts a ranking of all 124 FBS teams, so I decided to fake such a thing. Using
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NCAA_Division_I_FBS_football_season I got:




Membership changes
Includes schools transitioning to FBS.

School                     Former Conference               New Conference 

Fresno State Bulldogs      WAC                             Mountain West 
Hawaii Warriors            WAC                             Mountain West (Big West in other sports) 
Massachusetts Minutemen    CAA (football only)             MAC (football only)                                    <====
Missouri Tigers            Big 12                          SEC 
Nevada Wolf Pack           WAC                             Mountain West 
South Alabama Jaguars      FCS Independent (football only) Sun Belt (full member)                                 <====
TCU Horned Frogs           Mountain West                   Big 12 
Temple Owls                MAC (football only)             Big East (football only in 2012; all sports in 2013) 
Texas A&M Aggies           Big 12                          SEC 
Texas State Bobcats        Southland                       WAC                                                    <====
UTSA Roadrunners           Southland                       WAC                                                    <====
West Virginia Mountaineers Big East                        Big 12 [2] 


with the “<====” marking the four new teams.

Then using
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt11.htm
and changing the new teams from AA to A (marked with <====) and then stripping off the other AA teams we have:




FINAL College Football 2011 through games of 2012 January 9 Monday   the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here
                                RATING    W   L  SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS    | PREDICTOR  
                HOME ADVANTAGE=[  2.87]                                               [  2.31]       [  2.79]
   1  Alabama              A  = 104.17   12   1   76.53(  15)    2   1  |    4   1  |  106.06    1 |  102.72    1
   2  LSU                  A  = 100.30   13   1   78.93(   7)    3   1  |    6   1  |  103.42    2 |   98.31    2
   3  Oklahoma State       A  =  97.01   12   1   80.06(   3)    2   0  |    7   0  |   98.19    4 |   95.86    3
   4  Oklahoma             A  =  92.48   10   3   79.08(   6)    0   1  |    5   2  |   91.21    6 |   93.02    4
   5  Oregon               A  =  91.82   12   2   73.53(  35)    2   1  |    2   2  |   90.43    9 |   92.48    7
   6  Arkansas             A  =  91.06   11   2   75.29(  20)    1   2  |    3   2  |   99.53    3 |   87.43    9
   7  Stanford             A  =  90.48   11   2   73.08(  36)    0   2  |    2   2  |   87.33   10 |   93.01    5
   8  Wisconsin            A  =  88.67   11   3   71.81(  44)    0   1  |    3   2  |   84.31   18 |   92.90    6
   9  Boise State          A  =  88.53   12   1   68.29(  75)    0   0  |    1   1  |   85.43   13 |   90.95    8
  10  South Carolina       A  =  88.23   11   2   73.98(  32)    0   1  |    3   1  |   91.01    7 |   86.24   13

  11  Michigan             A  =  86.54   11   2   72.20(  40)    0   0  |    3   1  |   84.96   16 |   87.34   10
  12  Southern California  A  =  86.48   10   2   73.94(  33)    1   1  |    2   1  |   85.27   14 |   86.97   11
  13  Baylor               A  =  86.01   10   3   78.00(  10)    1   1  |    4   3  |   90.95    8 |   83.11   22
  14  Texas A&M            A  =  85.87    7   6   79.31(   4)    0   3  |    1   6  |   84.24   19 |   86.71   12
  15  Houston              A  =  85.26   13   1   65.46(  97)    0   0  |    1   1  |   84.13   20 |   85.68   14
  16  Missouri             A  =  85.25    8   5   77.58(  13)    0   2  |    2   4  |   84.99   15 |   85.00   16
  17  Texas                A  =  85.21    8   5   79.26(   5)    0   2  |    1   5  |   85.96   12 |   84.28   17
  18  Michigan State       A  =  85.13   11   3   72.93(  38)    1   1  |    3   3  |   84.67   17 |   85.03   15
  19  Kansas State         A  =  84.56   10   3   78.81(   8)    0   3  |    4   3  |   91.91    5 |   80.86   23
  20  TCU                  A  =  84.13   11   2   66.76(  86)    1   0  |    1   1  |   83.72   22 |   84.00   18

  21  Georgia              A  =  84.01   10   4   75.01(  23)    0   3  |    1   4  |   83.92   21 |   83.64   20
  22  West Virginia        A  =  81.78   10   3   70.12(  57)    0   1  |    1   1  |   82.51   23 |   80.86   24
  23  Florida State        A  =  81.16    9   4   68.96(  68)    0   1  |    2   1  |   77.53   34 |   83.99   19
  24  Southern Miss        A  =  81.07   12   2   65.69(  94)    0   0  |    1   0  |   81.30   24 |   80.48   26
  25  Nebraska             A  =  81.06    9   4   74.32(  26)    0   2  |    2   3  |   81.25   25 |   80.49   25
  26  Notre Dame           A  =  79.91    8   5   74.54(  25)    0   1  |    1   4  |   75.89   39 |   83.15   21
  27  Virginia Tech        A  =  79.14   11   3   70.05(  59)    0   0  |    0   1  |   79.38   29 |   78.54   27
  28  Penn State           A  =  78.82    9   4   73.99(  31)    0   2  |    0   4  |   79.68   27 |   77.81   31
  29  Florida              A  =  78.78    7   6   75.01(  22)    0   3  |    0   5  |   78.78   30 |   78.33   29
  30  Cincinnati           A  =  78.63   10   3   68.43(  73)    0   0  |    0   1  |   78.42   32 |   78.35   28

  31  Mississippi State    A  =  78.43    7   6   74.07(  28)    0   4  |    0   5  |   79.64   28 |   77.19   35
  32  Clemson              A  =  77.78   10   4   72.09(  43)    0   1  |    3   2  |   80.71   26 |   75.57   45
  33  Auburn               A  =  77.40    8   5   77.14(  14)    1   3  |    2   4  |   86.31   11 |   72.82   52
  34  BYU                  A  =  77.18   10   3   65.96(  90)    0   0  |    0   2  |   77.98   33 |   76.20   40
  35  Tulsa                A  =  77.02    8   5   71.75(  45)    0   3  |    0   4  |   75.77   40 |   77.52   33
  36  Rutgers              A  =  76.98    9   4   68.67(  69)    0   0  |    1   1  |   76.38   38 |   76.99   37
  38  California           A  =  76.20    7   6   74.06(  29)    0   2  |    0   4  |   74.31   45 |   77.24   34
  39  Utah                 A  =  75.92    8   5   71.21(  49)    0   0  |    0   1  |   75.17   42 |   76.04   42
  40  Toledo               A  =  75.21    9   4   67.22(  81)    0   1  |    0   1  |   73.46   47 |   76.12   41
  41  Arizona State        A  =  74.94    6   7   73.86(  34)    0   2  |    2   2  |   71.28   59 |   77.62   32

  42  Vanderbilt           A  =  74.94    6   7   74.12(  27)    0   3  |    0   6  |   71.83   54 |   77.07   36
  43  Iowa State           A  =  74.64    6   7   80.40(   2)    1   1  |    1   6  |   78.49   31 |   71.89   59
  44  Washington           A  =  74.52    7   6   74.54(  24)    0   2  |    0   5  |   75.41   41 |   73.48   50
  45  Iowa                 A  =  74.51    7   6   72.32(  39)    0   1  |    1   4  |   74.28   46 |   74.24   46
  46  Temple               A  =  74.50    9   4   61.52( 119)    0   0  |    0   1  |   69.86   64 |   78.19   30
  47  Northern Illinois    A  =  74.46   11   3   64.52( 103)    0   1  |    0   1  |   76.41   37 |   72.75   54
  48  Louisiana Tech       A  =  74.34    8   5   68.39(  74)    0   0  |    0   3  |   71.29   58 |   76.41   39
  49  Ohio State           A  =  74.19    6   7   74.06(  30)    1   0  |    1   5  |   71.58   56 |   75.85   43
  50  Tennessee            A  =  74.09    5   7   77.83(  12)    0   4  |    1   6  |   74.32   44 |   73.49   49
  51  SMU                  A  =  73.88    8   5   68.59(  70)    0   0  |    1   3  |   74.55   43 |   72.98   51

  52  Miami-Florida        A  =  73.61    6   6   69.86(  61)    0   0  |    0   3  |   69.56   66 |   76.63   38
  53  Texas Tech           A  =  73.17    5   7   77.99(  11)    1   1  |    1   6  |   76.77   36 |   70.52   65
  54  North Carolina       A  =  72.86    7   6   70.96(  51)    0   0  |    0   2  |   72.33   50 |   72.80   53
  55  Illinois             A  =  72.80    7   6   70.52(  53)    0   1  |    0   3  |   72.33   51 |   72.70   55
  56  Georgia Tech         A  =  72.31    8   5   68.05(  76)    0   0  |    0   2  |   72.15   53 |   71.98   58
  57  NC State             A  =  71.70    8   5   66.99(  83)    0   0  |    0   2  |   72.99   48 |   70.39   66
  58  Northwestern         A  =  71.35    6   7   71.38(  46)    0   0  |    1   4  |   69.12   68 |   72.65   56
  59  South Florida        A  =  71.02    5   7   69.86(  62)    0   0  |    1   2  |   66.83   79 |   74.09   47
  60  Nevada               A  =  70.89    7   6   66.61(  88)    0   2  |    0   3  |   66.63   81 |   74.01   48
  61  Louisville           A  =  70.75    7   6   69.87(  60)    0   0  |    1   1  |   70.42   62 |   70.56   64

  64  Arizona              A  =  70.52    4   8   75.64(  18)    0   3  |    0   4  |   68.23   74 |   71.86   60
  65  Purdue               A  =  70.28    7   6   69.27(  65)    0   1  |    0   4  |   71.32   57 |   69.13   72
  66  UCLA                 A  =  70.18    6   8   76.14(  16)    0   2  |    0   5  |   70.69   61 |   69.38   70
  67  Arkansas State       A  =  69.89   10   3   60.09( 124)    0   0  |    0   1  |   70.95   60 |   68.72   75
  68  Ohio                 A  =  69.81   10   4   61.59( 118)    0   0  |    0   0  |   70.24   63 |   69.08   74
  69  Pittsburgh           A  =  69.65    6   7   71.29(  48)    0   0  |    0   3  |   68.84   70 |   69.80   68
  70  San Diego State      A  =  69.30    8   5   65.56(  95)    0   1  |    0   3  |   67.35   77 |   70.34   67
  71  Virginia             A  =  69.17    8   5   68.48(  71)    0   0  |    1   2  |   72.80   49 |   66.40   80
  72  Air Force            A  =  68.58    7   6   64.28( 104)    0   1  |    0   3  |   63.70   93 |   72.19   57
  73  Wake Forest          A  =  68.42    6   7   70.41(  54)    0   0  |    1   2  |   68.34   73 |   68.03   77

  74  Navy                 A  =  68.37    5   7   69.04(  67)    0   1  |    0   3  |   64.35   90 |   71.17   63
  76  Connecticut          A  =  68.09    5   7   69.33(  64)    0   0  |    0   2  |   66.18   82 |   69.10   73
  77  Central Florida(UCF) A  =  67.61    5   7   64.61( 102)    0   0  |    0   1  |   62.07  104 |   71.81   61
  78  Western Michigan     A  =  67.51    7   6   64.91(  99)    0   0  |    0   1  |   65.84   85 |   68.32   76
  79  Marshall             A  =  67.49    7   6   70.29(  56)    0   0  |    1   3  |   72.26   52 |   64.02   90
  80  Utah State           A  =  67.43    7   6   64.90( 100)    0   0  |    0   0  |   64.34   91 |   69.41   69
  82  Louisiana-Lafayette  A  =  66.60    9   4   60.47( 122)    0   1  |    0   1  |   69.67   65 |   64.11   89
  83  Washington State     A  =  66.14    4   8   71.29(  47)    0   2  |    0   2  |   63.60   94 |   67.64   78
  84  Wyoming              A  =  66.09    8   5   65.77(  92)    0   1  |    0   3  |   67.67   76 |   64.55   86
  85  Kentucky             A  =  66.03    5   7   72.18(  41)    0   2  |    0   4  |   68.70   72 |   63.78   92

  86  Syracuse             A  =  65.97    5   7   70.39(  55)    0   0  |    1   2  |   66.85   78 |   64.90   83
  87  Oregon State         A  =  65.76    3   9   75.59(  19)    0   3  |    0   3  |   64.51   88 |   66.24   81
  88  Minnesota            A  =  64.89    3   9   75.86(  17)    0   1  |    0   5  |   65.63   86 |   63.92   91
  89  Rice                 A  =  64.45    4   8   72.95(  37)    0   0  |    0   4  |   66.06   83 |   62.88   98
  90  Boston College       A  =  64.40    4   8   70.71(  52)    0   0  |    0   3  |   63.14   95 |   64.88   84
  91  Kansas               A  =  64.09    2  10   80.72(   1)    0   2  |    0   7  |   68.85   69 |   60.49  112
  92  UTEP                 A  =  63.71    5   7   66.69(  87)    0   0  |    0   2  |   62.39  102 |   64.25   88
  93  East Carolina        A  =  63.52    5   7   68.48(  72)    0   1  |    0   4  |   64.49   89 |   62.39  100
  94  Fla. International   A  =  63.26    8   5   59.28( 127)    0   0  |    0   0  |   63.00   96 |   63.02   97
  96  San Jose State       A  =  62.99    5   7   67.49(  80)    0   1  |    0   1  |   61.94  106 |   63.32   95

  97  Hawaii               A  =  62.79    6   7   62.30( 114)    0   0  |    0   0  |   59.92  112 |   64.51   87
  98  Miami-Ohio           A  =  62.62    4   8   66.77(  85)    0   0  |    0   2  |   59.20  119 |   64.76   85
  99  Bowling Green        A  =  62.57    5   7   65.70(  93)    0   0  |    0   1  |   62.36  103 |   62.28  101
 100  Ball State           A  =  62.43    6   6   67.63(  78)    0   1  |    0   1  |   65.96   84 |   59.54  116
 101  Western Kentucky     A  =  62.11    7   5   61.27( 120)    0   1  |    0   1  |   64.07   92 |   60.27  114
 103  Mississippi          A  =  61.77    2  10   78.17(   9)    0   3  |    0   4  |   62.55  101 |   60.77  110
 104  Maryland             A  =  61.76    2  10   72.18(  42)    0   0  |    0   3  |   60.53  110 |   62.22  102
 105  Fresno State         A  =  61.68    4   9   67.89(  77)    0   1  |    0   2  |   59.21  118 |   63.08   96
 107  Colorado             A  =  61.65    3  10   75.03(  21)    0   2  |    0   3  |   62.82   97 |   60.37  113
 112  Army                 A  =  60.51    3   9   67.60(  79)    0   0  |    0   0  |   55.71  134 |   63.69   93

 113  Duke                 A  =  60.07    3   9   69.52(  63)    0   1  |    0   3  |   58.88  120 |   60.51  111
 116  Kent State           A  =  59.79    5   7   65.46(  96)    0   1  |    0   2  |   61.62  107 |   58.02  124
 119  Eastern Michigan     A  =  59.57    6   6   61.67( 117)    0   0  |    0   2  |   62.60  100 |   56.95  131
 121  North Texas          A  =  59.18    5   7   64.15( 105)    0   1  |    0   2  |   59.51  114 |   58.51  119
 124  Louisiana-Monroe     A  =  58.88    4   8   62.39( 113)    0   0  |    0   2  |   55.24  135 |   61.12  109
 133  New Mexico State     A  =  56.68    4   9   66.32(  89)    0   0  |    0   1  |   57.75  124 |   55.46  139
 135  Buffalo              A  =  56.15    3   9   65.18(  98)    0   0  |    0   0  |   55.72  133 |   56.03  135
 137  Central Michigan     A  =  56.00    3   9   65.94(  91)    0   0  |    0   1  |   57.12  126 |   54.73  144
 139  Indiana              A  =  55.37    1  11   70.97(  50)    0   1  |    0   3  |   53.04  141 |   56.62  133
 141  Idaho                A  =  54.74    2  10   67.04(  82)    0   0  |    0   1  |   53.52  138 |   55.18  142

 142  Colorado State       A  =  54.65    3   9   63.94( 106)    0   1  |    0   2  |   52.95  142 |   55.44  140
 147  Troy                 A  =  52.68    3   9   63.60( 109)    0   1  |    0   1  |   52.32  146 |   52.50  151
 150  Massachusetts        A  =  52.34    5   6   54.15( 154)    0   0  |    0   0  |   53.11  140 |   51.32  155 <====
 152  UAB                  A  =  52.04    3   9   66.82(  84)    0   0  |    1   2  |   54.34  136 |   49.83  162
 155  UNLV                 A  =  51.47    2  10   69.16(  66)    0   2  |    0   3  |   52.36  145 |   50.35  159
 169  Middle Tennessee     A  =  48.29    2  10   61.77( 116)    0   0  |    0   0  |   49.44  157 |   46.98  174
 171  Tulane               A  =  47.69    2  11   63.47( 110)    0   0  |    0   1  |   47.89  167 |   47.11  173
 175  New Mexico           A  =  47.05    1  11   70.12(  58)    0   2  |    0   3  |   49.26  160 |   44.84  185
 178  Texas State          A  =  46.65    6   6   50.77( 170)    0   0  |    0   0  |   48.13  165 |   45.04  184 <====
 181  South Alabama        A  =  45.75    6   4   46.93( 189)    0   0  |    0   0  |   44.85  183 |   45.96  180 <====

 182  Memphis              A  =  45.68    2  10   63.18( 112)    0   0  |    0   1  |   47.81  169 |   43.53  190
 190  Florida Atlantic     A  =  43.84    1  11   64.64( 101)    0   0  |    0   2  |   46.18  176 |   41.46  200
 198  Akron                A  =  42.49    1  11   63.76( 107)    0   0  |    0   1  |   44.11  187 |   40.75  202
 200  Texas-San Antonio    A  =  42.27    4   6   53.38( 160)    0   0  |    0   0  |   39.58  203 |   43.65  189 <====


It ought to be fun to watch how Sagarin and Rivals and others change their opinions after things get organized and spring ball has been evaluated.

There are quite a few Top 25 or Top x-number lists already with http://www.lsufootball.net/articles/2012-preseason-polls.htm
likely to have as good a summary as is available.

Post links to any other such lists you’re aware of, please.

Did any other team get their mascot in the backfield? Sparty carries the ball!

I’ve actually been to their stadium for high school track invitationals. Nice little place, great concessions, the only problem is for some stupid reason the main stands face west, directly into the afternoon sun.