Could you translate this out of English, & into English? 
In English a chav is a member of the peasant underclass - low class and prone to dressing like an american (see also ned, Pikey, Pramface (birds) etc).
will give you fuller a further details.
These people are currently a major political issue here and the trouble that they cause is why we have ASBOs which are Abti-Social Behaviour Orders, ie court orders to deal with the beahviour of yer actual chavs.
These are white boys from the same background as the failing Muslim boys - and the point i was trying to make is that they are equally nihilistic and angry. They just don’t yet have an outlet for it.
Burberry chavs - faux Burberry wearing ‘wannabe’ hooligans/thugs, wearing ‘bling’, with no sort of desire/prospect to finish school/get a decent job.
Arsenel won the double - since Arsenel (an English football team) finally won both the Premiership league title and the FA Cup title - they did the double. I believe it was previously the preserve of Manchester United.
dole-moles - someone living on welfare, with no desire to get off it.
ASBO - Anti Social Behaviour Order - a new ‘civil’ order brought in that imposes conditions on people who behave anti-socially, to basically force them to cut out their anti-social behaviour.
ASBO boys - Burberry chavs with an ASBO.
And on preview, Owlstretchingtime beat me to it! Grrr.
The sodiers were sent to protect the interests of the State, not to protect the catholics.
Philosphically true but the fact remains the troops on the ground went in to put a stop to Protestant attacks.
Well, I hope you hold yourself personally responsible for all the crime that happens in your town too.
if I invite the criminals in; shelter the criminals and give support and succour to the criminals - then yes; I would be to blame.
That might have been the reason given, but it soon ended up that they were there to keep the catholic communities in line so that there was no fear of retribution against the Protestant communities.
Army patrols were almost unanimously centered on Nationalist communities, and rarely were seen to venture in to Protestant communities, rarer still were deployed to stop the protestant mobs.
Troops were sent into NI when it became increasingly clear that the civilian forces had lost all objectivity(what little the had in the first place) during “The battle of the bogside”. This is when catholic communities were literally under siege from Loyalists mobs backed up by the police.
Troops were put on the street to calm both sides down. At first the Army calming the B-Specials down was a good thing and so Catholic communities on the whole welcomed them. This didn’t last very long however as it became very clear very quickly who the Army was interested in and it was the Loyalists
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/troubles/origins/bogside.shtml
And so the troubles as we know them began 
:smack:
it became very clear very quickly who the Army was interested in and it wasn’t the Loyalists
The fact that the IRA are the de facto police force in those areas is a symptom of the crapness, not the cause.
[Just to make something clear: The man who slaughterded Theo van Gogh,
Mohamed Bouyeri, wasn’t poor, nor was he uneducated]
From: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=6750020
DUBAI (Reuters) - A little-known Islamist group has threatened to carry out attacks in the Netherlands following a series of attacks on Muslim buildings there, according to an Internet statement posted on Tuesday.
“We ask you for the last time, and you still have a chance, to stop the attacks on our mosques, schools and the Muslim community in Holland … before you pay a heavy price,” Islamic Tawhid Brigades said in a statement dated Nov. 9 and posted on a Web site used by Islamists.
“We will not stand with our hands tied and we will make the Dutch government and people pay dearly,” Islamic Tawhid said in the statement, whose authenticity could not be verified.
Christian churches and schools have been burned down as well. But I guess that’s not what the Islamic Tawhid Brigades meant. No-one was hurt.
As I said in another thread: Queen Beatrix has condemned the arsoning of mosques and islamic schools.
So has Prime Minister Balkenende.
And so do I.
I apologise on behalf of the Dutch. [which is more than I’ve heard a muslim[a] doing on this board]
From: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/10/international/europe/11cnd-dutch.html
Dutch Arrest 2 Men Suspected of Links to Islamic Terrorists
By CRAIG S. SMITH
Published: November 10, 2004
THE HAGUE, Nov. 10 - The Dutch police arrested two North African men here today following a daylong siege that began when three officers were injured by a hand grenade during a predawn raid on an apartment suspected of harboring Islamic terrorists.
The arrests, coming after days of escalating tension over the murder of an outspoken Dutch filmmaker by a Muslim extremist, added to fears that a terrorist network with international ties is operating in the Netherlands.
More evidence of an international dimension emerged today when intelligence officials confirmed reports that they are seeking a Syrian man who may be a common link among three continuing investigations, including last week’s murder of the filmmaker, Theo van Gogh.
Spain’s interior ministry also said it was investigating a possible link between the man arrested for Mr. van Gogh’s murder, Mohamed Bouyeri, and a Moroccan national detained in Spain named Abdeladim Akouad, Agence France Presse reported.
Mr. Akouad, also known as Naoufel, is wanted by Moroccan authorities in connection with the 2003 suicide bombings in Casablanca, intelligence officials say. Late last year, he was in contact with a Dutch-Moroccan man named Samir Azzouz, who was subsequently arrested for planning attacks on several Dutch government installations, including the country’s only nuclear power plant.
Dutch authorities say Mr. Azzouz and Mr. Bouyeri were part of a group of Muslim extremists that moved among a series of apartments in the country.
Here is an excellent overview of the situation by Michael Ledeen:
http://www.nationalreview.com/ledeen/ledeen200411101620.asp
The order to kill Theo van Gogh may - may - have come from Spain. The plot thickens.
So condemning what he did is not enough for you?
I am deeply deeply sorry for what happened – it should not have happened, I don’t think I can say this enough, and I apologise if I hadn’t made my deepest regrets clear in all my other posts.
Thank you Angua.
From Roseworm’s link:
Mohammed B. is the Dutch-Moroccan version of the British-Pakistani killer of Daniel Pearl. Both came from good families that had to all appearances successfully assimilated into Western society. Both were well educated and upwardly mobile. Both had money and opportunity. Neither suffered unusual discrimination. Both lived in politically correct, meticulously tolerant societies that permitted no intrusion on their private lives. There was no apparent reason, either psychological or sociological, why either should have become a killer. Yet each freely chose — freely chose — to become a terrorist.
Latest, from http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=6777708
Dutch police stormed a flat after a 14-hour stand-off in which four officers were wounded, arresting two people and elsewhere five more, all suspected of links with a network of radical Muslims.
A prosecutors’ office spokesman said four people in Amsterdam and one in the central town of Amersfoort were detained, as well as the pair held after the siege by hundreds of police in The Hague that lasted most of Wednesday.
“The investigation is into a network of radical Muslims,” Mark Erve told a news conference, but declining to give the nationalities of those detained
To Angua:
I strongly urge you to go to this thread:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5481657#post5481657
Please read post 29 (by WeRSauron) and my reply (post 30).
If there is any way we can transfer those posts to this thread, I think they would greatly benefit the general discussion.
Yes, you do get people like that. People, who to all intents, behave like westerners, but become terrorists. The reasons? I’m not sure. Maybe its to do with the pesh-imams in the mosques, maybe he fell in with the ‘wrong’ crowd, so to speak, it does happen. However, the point that Owlstretchingtime and I were making above, is that a lot of them do come from poor social backgrounds, but that, like all generalisations, is just that – a generalisation, and well, all generalisations can be wrong.
Indeed.
I have read that thread, and I am relieved to see that there are yet more voices of reason within the Muslim community. For time reasons, I will not be participating in that thread, but it makes me glad to see that there are yet more people willing to add their voices to my own, in ‘outing’ these extremists as unrepresentative of Islam.
And here’s to hoping they will all be as clear [no 'but’s] as WeRSaurons.