Israel, and the USA as of June 21, 2025, strikes dozens of targets in Iran, including nuclear program

Plus, of course, Trump effectively warning them ahead of time.

The Iranians didn’t need to be clever or foresighted about it, Trump made it obvious we were going to bomb them.

But there was also evidence, according to two Israeli officials with knowledge of the intelligence, that Iran had moved equipment and uranium from the site in recent days. And there was growing evidence that the Iranians, attuned to Mr. Trump’s repeated threats to take military action, had removed 400 kilograms, or roughly 880 pounds, of uranium enriched to 60 percent purity. That is just below the 90 percent that is usually used in nuclear weapons.

Normally I wouldn’t consider military action that could blow back in countless deadly ways with such whimsy, but YMMV.

Maybe the first rule of holes? Stop digging, instead of doubling down on a terrible decision?

I do not think that works here. Maybe the initial decision was a bad one but, once made, it needs to be seen through to the end which, in this case, is the destruction of Fordo. They started it, they need to finish it. Iran will never thank the US for not quite finishing the job.

So more bombing. Even if the first bombing was dumb.

That doesn’t seem wise to me.

Once the decision was made, however bad and ill-thoughtout it was, it is best to see it through.

Otherwise you just pissed off the other guy and also did not take their weapon away.

And the escalation continues…no surprise there.

Actual title (they do weird things with these breaking-news threads): Iran fires missiles toward US military bases in Qatar and Iraq

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“Wise” left the room the minute the B2s took off.

If the goal is to stop Iran from getting nukes, negotiations are off the table. Main force is the only other option, other than just accepting a nuclear Iran.

What if it can’t be done with conventional bombing?

Then it requires troops attacking the place. That’s it.

Or nukes I suppose. Trump is scarily dumb enough to consider that.

Then we’re fucked, of course. Guess what I’m betting on.

There’s a reason I hate Trump for killing the nuclear deal.

I just had a thought: occupying Iran is going to make occupying Afghanistan look like occupying Japan.

Is that what you would advocate, if airstrikes don’t work? Invasion?

Moderating: remember, this is a breaking news thread. Many of the recent posts (will edit soon to add some) would be better in p&e or the pit.

Edited to add: here are some posts that don’t belong in this thread. This is not an exhaustive list. Y’all know where p&e and the pit are.

(And more of the back-and-forth between @iiandyiiii and @Whack-a-Mole )

Please stick to news in this thread, and move the speculation, etc. to another thread.

All missiles sent to Qatar were intercepted. This was entirely performative. They intentionally sent the exact same number of missiles as we dropped bombs and announced it in advance. This is not an escalation and saves face.

Iran has announced that the American base in Qatar that they targeted has been destroyed. I think they are exaggerating a tiny bit.

Where are you seeing that? (Is it intended for domestic or international consumption?)

It was on Iranian state media. They also had on an IRGC commander who claimed that America entered the war “because they were every close to destroying Israel”.

All intended for internal consumption, of course - it was just pretty funny.

They really are following our lead! We were told the same thing.

Yes, but is the Trump administration going to see it that way, or see it as a reason to strike again?

That may have been for their domestic consumption. Especially as other reports are no damage and no injuries.

That’s the big question. So far no saber rattling from him on this.