Yes. If/When that happens I will grant you there was coup attempt.
If that doesn’t happen, will you grant me there was no coup attempt?
Ah. So a passive aggressive coup.
It already happened, but thanks for showing all that you can not read cites.
Which cite did I miss? That said a Donald Trump attempted a coup, and a joe Biden, Congress, and the Supreme Court are all ok with it. Even if the SDMB is not
Stop the conspiracy theories.
It does not say that you dummy. You just were just wrong about not arresting people.
The DOJ and the FBI is checking about that, whereas you like it or not.
Really, tell me why Joe Biden, both houses of Congress, the Supreme Court, are all ok with Trumps attempted Coup when the SDMB has so much proof.
Laws were broken on 1/6/21. Those people should be brought to justice.
You really are dumb for using that strawman, I actually said that the evidence is being gathered. And again, nothing would had taken place if Trump had conceded earlier.
And no, congress is not OK with what took place.
I agree with Mitch. I have said several times that Trumps behavior is reprehensible. Impeach him.
It wasn’t a Coup attempt
Your dumb argument (there is relly no argument in just a contrarian repetition) misses the context too.
What is a coup?
A coup is shorthand for “coup d’etat,” a French term that means the overthrow of the government. The key element of a coup is that it is carried out beyond the bounds of legality.
“We define a coup d’état as the sudden and irregular (i.e., illegal or extra-legal) removal, or displacement, of the executive authority of an independent government,” wrote the Coup D’etat Project at the University of Illinois’ Cline Center for Democracy in 2013.
The Cline Center characterized 12 types of coups. Several of them aren’t relevant to the current situation, including palace coups , military coups , counter coups , foreign coups , internationally mediated transitions , and forced resignations .
Others might be, including " attempted coups " and " coup conspiracies. "
Were Trump’s actions to overturn the election a coup?
Prior to the breach of the Capitol, some officials and commentators suggested that President Donald Trump, with such actions as trying to get Georgia’s secretary of state, Brad Raffensberger, to “find” enough votes for him to win the state, was effectively attempting a coup. Others said some lawmakers who opposed counting the certified Electoral College slates in Congress were creating a coup.
These actions might fall into the category of self-coups , in which the leader strong-arms other branches of government to entrench power.
“These coups involve the existing chief executive taking extreme measures to eliminate, or render powerless, other components of the government (the legislature, the judicial branch, etc.),” the 2013 Cline Center report said. “It also includes situations where the chief executive simply assumes extraordinary powers in an illegal or extra-legal manner (i.e., goes beyond extraordinary measures included in the country’s constitution, such as declaring a state of emergency).”
Trump’s call to the Georgia secretary of state might well qualify as an “extreme measure” and “illegal or extra-legal,”
Why can’t we all just agree that for an ever-changing definition of ‘coup’, that has never been used by any political historian or analyst, this was not a coup.
Donald Trump need not have had any involvement at all in planning an attempt to forcibly overthrow the government for it to have been a coup attempt. He could just be guilty of inadvertently inciting a riot through sheer short-sighted idiocy. He may have had no involvement in any idea to storm the capitol, seize congress members and directly disrupt the electoral vote count.
Maybe he had no goal. Or maybe he didn’t intend an invasion of the building, but had the brainless idea that a large crowd would embolden enough Republicans to protest the vote long enough to delay it so he could make a last minute pitch to the Supreme Court on the grounds of a Constitutional loophole. That certainly is what Giuliani seems to be hinting at when he ineptly called the wrong Senator to leave a message.
But either way those are still coup attempts. It would be a coup attempt if whatever little segment of the crowd had made a plan to disrupt the government to force the preservation of Trump’s presidency even if Trump knew nothing about it. That’s not an autogolpe, but it’s still a coup attempt. And if Trump had successfully lobbied the Supreme Court to overturn the election on some spurious ground, that too would be a coup. His cajoling of Raffensperger to change the vote in Georgia certainly looks like an attempt at a coup. Even if completely bloodless and administrative, it’s still a coup - i.e. a soft coup.
A coup, to quote wikipedia, is simply an illegal, unconstitutional seizure of power by a political faction, the military, or a dictator. It doesn’t matter if it is a violent attempt by a tiny group of radicalized whackadoos without the knowledge of anyone else or a more of less peaceful administrative attempt by a desperate government.
Obvious Troll is Obvious. Likely a sock as well
Actually, if you read the cites, yes; there are several historians, politicians (there were even some Republicans) and analysts that do call it a coup.
Trump lost the election. He filed numerous lawsuits and lost those. He is a sore loser.
It was not a coup attempt.
Oh gawd. I don’t think I’ve ever had something I wrote be so misunderstood, which I take most of the blame for. To be clear, I mean that the sock can’t be pinned down on a definition of coup, and any time he gets close to defining it, he’s using a definition that has never been used by any political historians or analysts. Which means it’s pointless to try to argue against his point, because he doesn’t have one.
Well, thanks for showing all again that you can’t read, the call to Georgia was also part of the coup.
A “cite” is just not article that agrees with you.