Well, I do apologize for expecting that you had the intelligence to follow links. The articles are not just that, but remind us what also took place in the past, do you deny that the call to Georgia to “find” votes did not take place?
Please, for the love of sanity, tell us, what is it about (gestures emphatically at the entirety of Trump’s public career) that causes you to believe that Trump has a clearly conceived endgame, or a plan, or the vaguest possible suggestion of the shadow of a shape of a plan — or, indeed, the emotional and cognitive capacity to think about anything that might happen beyond the next 36 hours?
“Incite chaos right now and interrupt the certification right now so my genius lawyers can wedge doubt into the process and figure out some way to justify my remaining in office despite the election going against me” may be a stupid plan for a coup, but it’s still an overturning of the legal and proper succession of power, a violent breakage of the norms of governance in order to illegitimately cling to the presidency, and that makes it a coup.
On a scale of 1 to 100, I would give this troll a 3 1/2 for originality, and for attention-grabbing I would gi
Does your president have the authority to arrest anyone? Wouldn’t it be FBI, who are working on the case?
I guess the people involved in the attempted coup will be arrested and probably convicted in due course. It is not urgent now.
Joe Biden was inaugurated as president. He wasn’t inaugurated as Batman you fucking halfwit.
There is an investigation. You know, those things that law enforcement people do before they arrest people in the real world?
Holy shit this asshole couldn’t be more of a troll if he named his account Trolly McTrolldick. I’m just wondering which recently banned loser this is.
Yes, it is obviously a troll.
Why the fuck are you assholes feeding it?
Lol, I wake up, see 95 new posts, and immediately think ‘Oh, looks like someone is being a dipshit.’ What do I win?
Obvious sock. HD? Clotha? Do we really give a shit?
DNFTFT.
Speaking for myself, in situations like this, I have no illusion that I will change the troll’s mind or the trajectory of their nonsense. Instead, I have in mind the casual drive-by readers. For them, I think it’s valuable to get a response on the record, so nobody incorrectly concludes that the troll’s point couldn’t be answered or has any merit.
With that established, if the idiot troll keeps pushing, I’ll transition directly to a cordial invitation that he retire to the boudoir and fistfuck himself with great enthusiasm.
Ok. MustangSal is just too fucking stupid for words. They’re basically the John Cleese character from the Argument Clinic sketch. Joined yesterday, 50 posts, 41 of them in this thread.
Troll.
PLONK
Yep, I as well. Especially for a thread that seemed to have been winding down.
The mentality being promoted and the drum being beat by the Republican Right was simply this: The legally and democratically elected president was a “steal”, and we have to storm Washington to take back the presidency.
Any attempt at unseating the legal government in order to, for all practical purposes, install a dictator-wannabe is an attempted coup. There isn’t any conceivable way that you can overstate the gravity of the situation and the threat those people pose to our democracy. To do so would be a mistake of monumental proportions.
No he’s not.
I’m sorry, I’m not allowed to argue unless you pay.
You are aware that was significant involvement of retired military, yes? Not to mention some off duty police officers from around the country.
I’m sure you’re allowed to do it in your spare time.
What Cervaise said to some extent.
But also, sometimes it’s just one of those days. 
Every time I see the title of this thread, why does this scene cross my mind?
I had to go back and address this. An article that agrees with your position is exactly a cite. It may or may not be a good cite, but it is most definitely a cite.
Well, the Administration responsible for the coup has only been out of power for 25 hours and 30 minutes, so it’s still early days.
In a sane world, Trump would’ve been in jail by sundown on Jan 6th, President or not. As I mentioned at about 6PM that day.
There is evidence that Trump thought he had a chance to overturn the election if he stalled the vote certification. There is hard evidence that Guiliani still thought he’d have “evidence” shortly and that Trump believed him.
I don’t believe Trump realized exactly what his #TrumpArmy, a group he mustered online using that hashtag, would do. I don’t think he cared, as long as they disrupted the count or, in his own words, stopped the steal.
I do believe that Trump and the Stop The Steal grifters made a miscalculation. They are soulless beings that will say anything to gain money and power, yet truly believe in nothing, or as Republicans say…they are transactional. Because of this, they failed to realize that their followers really believed every wrongheaded belief they had instilled in them, because these people just don’t know what it feels like to truly believe in something. I don’t believe they really thought these people would try to lynch their elected representatives.
I think they (Trump and cronies) just thought they’d (the insurrectionists) make a bunch of noise and delay the certification. But they really thought they could overturn the election if it wasn’t certified in a session that began on Jan 6th, and/or they really thought they could get new “evidence”.
But the insurrection was part of a ploy to try and overturn the election. It certainly sounds like the people involved thought it would work. A stupid coup attempt is still a coup attempt.
Responding not to the troll (who I haven’t put on ignore only because I suspect they are not long for this board), but to @Skywatcher. To be fair, I think a successful coup would at least require the acquiescence of the military. That is, the military would have to accept the legitimacy of the outcome, much as it has accepted the legitimacy of what actually happened (Joe Biden sworn in as Command-in-Chief).
Whether or not it was ever conceivable, or under what circumstances, the military by and large would have come to accept the legitimacy of an extension of the Trump administration beyond yesterday… we cannot know, only speculate.
But the broader point stands: just because the coup didn’t get that far doesn’t mean it wasn’t at least an attempt. Just because the attempt at a coup was bound to fail doesn’t mean it wasn’t an attempt at a coup.
All that to say, don’t let the troll move the goal post to make this a conversation about whether or not the military was involved or needed to be. The definition of a coup is pretty straight forward, and an attempt will necessarily fall short of a successful coup. The troll shouldn’t get to beg the question that military support is a universal requirement to call something even an attempted coup.
This point, too, needs to be highlighted, again and again. The events of January 6th were not the coup or the attempted coup, but rather a part. The (ultimately unsuccessful) efforts to overturn a fair and open election through deception and lies–which culminated in violence–was the coup. We must not let Trump off the hook just because it’s possible he didn’t really expect/intend for the mob to turn violent and break into the Capitol.