Oh, obviously.
And you’ve got a Mother of Black Children to back you up. That’s something.
Dude, you keep saying that, but nobody’s buying.
The only thing I see here is that you’re pedantic to the point of annoyance about calling a drink it’s “proper” name when a customer dares to call it by its ingredients. From the tone of your writing, I can just see your nose lifted two feet in the air as you deign to sniff at the customer as you correct her. And when she digs at you by insisting on calling the drink by another name … the horror! :eek:
I get the feeling that the whole “racist” angle is something you’ve invented whole cloth just to justify your snootiness. Maybe you’re not even consciously aware of it, maybe you’ve told the story enough that by this time you actually believe it. But I gotta tell you, from where I’m sitting, the racism is all in your head.
Think how ridiculous this all sounds. Someone is “blackifying” a “white” drink? Come on!
:rolleyes: OK, believe what you want. Surely all black people love all white people and nobody would dare try to blackify a drink named after a white person for no other reason than that the inventor of the drink was white.
In the famous words of Eric Cartman, screw you guys - I’m going home.
This thread is exhausting. After work, I’m gonna stop by a convenience store, buy me some malt liquor, vodka, and lemonade (as described here) and have me a delicious “Ted Danson”
Ha! My bullshitometer went tilt all the way back on page 2
Gosh, is this more of that heavy sarcasm? I see why you found it so convincing!
Dude, I don’t descend to insults very often, not even in the deepest parts of the Pit, but it’s pretty clear that you’re an idiot.
It’s so OBVIOUS to you that race is behind this – except that your conclusion doesn’t follow from what you have related. Why assume the worst?
Why pointedly ignore all the white folk who innocently call an iced-tea and lemonade a “Tiger Woods?”
Is Bobby Lloyd a Black Panther agitator?
Are you angry at this Upper West Side WASP for “blackifying” the name of the beverage? Do you ascribe sinister or small-minded motives to her? Why not?
Oh, right, because that would be fucking moronic.
Damn, Rig, do you even listen to yourself? The problem here is that your very assumptions are biased to begin with. If someone calls this stupid concoction a “Tiger Woods” instead of an “Arnold Palmer”, they must be trying to
There’s a whole ass-load of assumptions in that phrase, my friend. You don’t know why a customer might use one name in place of the other. OK, sure, maybe in some cases it is some sort of “racial attitude”. It’s possible. It’s also possible that it’s an “age-ist attitude” of substituting the younger for the older. Maybe it’s just a case of someone being a fan of one more than the other. Shit, maybe someone has only ever heard it referred to as a “Tiger Woods” and has no fucking clue why you’re being such an obnoxious bastard about “correcting” it.
Furthermore, you are so very off base here in another fashion. It doesn’t fucking matter what their motivations are. Just take people’s orders and stop fucking “correcting” them. It’s goddamned annoying whether it’s you insisting on calling a mixture of tea and lemonade an “Arnold Palmer” or a Starbucks serf insisting on calling a large coffee a “Venti Drip”. Gah!
I have now read the whole thread. That’s right, every post. Whew! Is it just me or is this the biggest tempest in a teapot I ever heard of?
The only thing I have to say is I’d be annoyed too, if you corrected the name of a drink. If I want a raspberry lemonade and most of the world calls it something else AND IT’S NOT LISTED ON YOUR MENU AS YOUR LITTLE SPECIAL NAME - I’m calling it a freakin’ raspberry lemonade and I don’t care what you say.
Honestly, what are we supposed to do, read minds? A lot of us grew up in drastically different backgrounds. Ask any child of immigrants…we are missing a whole chunk of pop culture, the one that our parents grew up in. Most of us don’t know anything about our parents’ generation. So often I have been in situations where I’m expected to know something and don’t.
Deal!
Hell, at Rigamarole’s bar, elderly black women order Manhattans and call them Harlems! It makes the veins pop out on his forehead, blackifying a perfectly good drink like that.
Yeah, but those are made with Courvoisier VSOP. And Arnold Palmer doesn’t drink them with his peanut butter and jelly sandwiches on principle.
Stranger
Rig, real question. Suppose she changed the name to a black golfer’s name specifically because she is black. How does that make it racism?
I have a dream
I dream that someday our drinks will be judged
NOT by the colour of the golfer who popularised them
But on the ingredients that make them
No. You must have missed the one where a lady ordered milk in a bar.
Oh. Yeah, you don’t want to do that. Skip to the punchlines.
“Madam, if I were Arnold Palmer, I would drink it.”
The Roy Rogers is my favorite drink! In my experience, about half the time the server or bartender knows what it is.
The other half of the time, I end up saying, “It’s coke, grenadine syrup, and a maraschino cherry over ice. Please don’t forget the cherry.”
I don’t drink alcohol, so when my friends order their “whiskey sours”, “martinis”, or “cosmos”, I want to fit in by using a cool-sounding drink name, too. But once I have to explain what it is, it’s like explaining why the punch line of a joke is so funny. Kills the mood. 
Maybe one of these days, I should stick to Shirley Temples. Everyone knows what those are, right?!
Frank, having read the thread in question, I’m never going to order milk at bar. (Not that I have before, mind you. Just sayin’.) 
In that case, it sounds like the ultimate extension of the Southern practice of fortifying a drink with citrus and sugar, a practice I personally find repugnant but which is enjoyed by many south of the Mason/Dixon line.
Arnold Palmer needs to stick to golfing and leave the culinary disasters to Rachel Ray.
Stranger
OK, real answer? Because it belittles the person who invented it, and by extension their race, by implying “I know who invented it, but I will call it by the name of someone who had absolutely nothing to do with it who is of a race I prefer.” As a server I have to put up with plenty of belittling attitudes to begin with, and when shit like this goes down, it certainly doesn’t help.
So you can argue all you want about whether that was really her intention (which it was, I know this based on actually being there and having similar past experiences) and I don’t give a damn. But at the core of it, that’s really the whole reason it bothered me. And it was nothing monumental, by now I’ve long since let it go - I’ve just popped in here a bit to at least try and defend the integrity of my original statements, and I stand by them.
That being said, from now on let there be merriment and ice cream, so I hereby decree. (or just let the thread die, but I’m not arguing any further)
Huh!? Thank you for your straight answer, however you did not make your case. By what extension? Given your OP I see nothing that indicated she knew who invented it. You didn’t even convince me of belittlement.
Another real question: If the exact conversation had taken place with a white patron would you still view it as racism?
You keep saying this, but you do realise he only popularised the drink, he didn’t invent it?