It's getting worse for Hillary

Then why hasn’t it?

What lies?

Such as, turning over all of her work email. The newest story is that there were some emails that she didn’t turn over that were in fact work related.

Repeat: What lies are you accusing her of telling?

You’re quite fond of loosely throwing that claim out there. Isn’t it about time to say what convinced you of it? :dubious:

What lies?

Here’s one. Hillary claimed numerous times, as late as last Sunday in a CBS interview that she turned over ALL the work emails from her server. Yet, Government finds new emails Clinton did not hand over. So - either she lied, or the Defense Dept is lying.

Her claims for why she used a private server were also lies, which I listed earlier in the thread.

In order for Clinton fans to not believe she’s a liar by now they have to be deliberately shutting out facts they don’t want to know. But you know what, they don’t even need to believe it if they don’t want to. What they can’t do is wish her into the Presidency. No one is getting elected with 63% of Americans believing her to be dishonest. The general election polls now show her trailing everyone but Trump. It’s not over, but it’s certainly close enough that Clinton fans might want to start looking at alternatives rather than whining about how unfair it all is. That’s Bills’ job, just as it was in 2008.

And that once again, the claims that she lied were also made by stretching the truth.

Don’t think so, if that was the case she would drop of the race but she is not.

I will also say that this latest item seems a bit silly for the fact that it is clear that they do have that email thread now, one should not blame malice for what it is still a problem brought by rule changes.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/the-real-clinton-email-scandal-our-ridiculous-classification-rules-121507

That isn’t even worth responding to with anything more than a smile. :smiley:

Nor can you wish her out of it, despite your strenuous efforts here to find a reason.

OMG so bad, just like it did at this point in 1999 with Al Gore and Bill Bradley.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1999-11-07/news/9911070059_1_new-hampshire-gore-duels
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/10/20/register.bradley/
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/e98/e273.htm

I work as a electronic discovery specialist. I’m the guy responsible for going out, collecting email accounts and electronic document collections, making everything searchable, then culling by date range, keyword, etc., to get the potentially responsive documents to the attorneys for a privilege/relevance review, and afterwards preparing the documents for production to relevant parties.

I can see four probable reasons may have happened:

  1. Bad keywords or dates in the document request: The keywords agreed upon or the date range used didn’t cover these emails.

  2. Bad searching by the tech responsible for this: Basically, the person ran the searches incorrectly or forgot some small detail which caused these to slip through the cracks.

  3. Bad decision by the people going through and looking for privilege and/or classified information: The attorney flagged this email chain as either prilveged or non-responsive thus causing it to not be produced.

  4. Deliberate obfusification: Doesn’t seem likely since it’s just an email chain detailing with personnel issues.

Given the above, I’m given to think that it was just a mundane oversight of one type or another.

But it all *has *to be lies, because we *know *she’s a liar, because there are all these stories! Don’t you get it? Wake up, sheeple!

No, it’s a lie because she used a private server precisely so that she could choose what to give up for FOIA requests, which meant that despite her assurances, quite a few work related emails would not be turned over.

It also shows that the search terms she would have had used would have had a bias towards protecting personal emails rather than giving up her work related emails, as she is required to do by law. Her failure to do that successfully is still a violation of the law, intentional or not, thus her absolute statement that she turned over all work emails.

I’m guessing the next goalpost move by the Clinton campaign will be that she turned them all in “as far as she knew”.

But goalpost moving aside, we know now that she did not turn over all her work emails, and that classified information passed through her private server.

Not really. As of right now:

Bush vs. Clinton: The probability that Clinton leads Bush is 75%.
Carson vs. Clinton: The probability that Carson leads Clinton is 82%.
Fiorina vs. Clinton: The probability that Clinton leads Fiorina is 61%.
Rubio vs. Clinton: The probability that Clinton leads Rubio is 99%.
Trump vs. Clinton: The probability that Clinton leads Trump is 94%.

So just Carson at the moment according to Huffpost Pollster. What source did you use before you made your assertion?

RCP right now:

Bush vs. Clinton: Clinton +0.4
Carson vs. Clinton: Carson +0.5
Fiorina vs. Clinton: Clinton +4.5
Rubio vs. Clinton: Clinton +2.3
Trump vs. Clinton: Clinton +2.7

Same story.

Hillary just said last week that her private email server was more secure than the State Departments … which I thought was a great come back and she should’ve used it sooner.

Too bad she’s already used the, “what difference does it make now” trump card.

I don’t see how she had time to read that many emails in the first place much less re-read them to figure out what to delete. She had help, lots and lots of help.

Now they are making it look like she will lose if Biden joins the race and if he stands down that she would easily beat Bernie.

Sources? adaher don’t need no stinkin’ sources! He has “THE TRUTH” on his side!

Hillary’s likability factor has always been an issue. It first came up as first lady of Arkansas. Its been a consistent problem at every stage of her career. Her public persona is just unwelcoming and cold. She’s a divisive candidate. I can’t see any way she’ll win the nomination.

Its so ironic that Bill has such a warm and inviting public persona. Hillary just the opposite.

Let’s assume that she was producing in response to a committee subpoena since I have no idea exactly how a FOIA request gets responded to.

The document request from the committee would issue broad classes of documents for her to turn over, such as:

  1. Any document related to Benghazi.
  2. Any document related to set up of private email server.
  3. Etc.

Her attorneys would meet with her and ask a series of questions designed to identify where those documents might reside:

  1. Did you store emails in any particular folders that would identify these documents?
  2. Did you keep paper copies of documents anywhere?
  3. Etc.

Afterwards, the attorneys (not Clinton) would establish a range of potential keywords to search and clear them with the committee prior to use. The committee has the ability to come back and say, "In addition to searching “Benghazi,” we’d also like you to search “Christopher w/1 Stephens.” Keywords aren’t decided unilaterally by Clinton’s team.

Afterwards, Clintons’ attorneys review the emails for privilege/responsiveness. Clinton doesn’t really have much input into that. Any suppression of related documents risks sanctions, and if done intentionally, will get the attorney censured or disbarred.

By the way, the same process would happen no matter which server the emails are contained, private or government. The only real possibility of hiding it would be to delete it so it’s not there for discovery. However, since there are two parties on every email, that’s a dicey gamble to make.

I notice that now we’re considering a statistical tie to be good news for Clinton. How far the goalposts have moved.

Yes. If Dems were smart they’d drop her now and hope someone else will get up to speed and win for them. Maybe Nader can hop in and the Dems can choose between him and Sanders. Unsullied v Trump 2016!