Sophistry and Illusion, Heffalump and Roo - comprehension! Ahhh, finally. (And yes, H&R, apparently there has been an ice storm in Hades ). Wile E and Sampiro - hee.
To those of you who don’t grok what I was saying (or what Auto’s intent was) - meh. Life is too short to get worked up over people who just. don’t. get. it.
I think that people who love to get infuriated and fling really hateful remarks at people and then get infuriated when someone suggests they could turn it down a notch might do themselves a favour to check into themselves to sort out the origins of such anger and hate. Because all that bile’s gotta come from something or someplace. In all of life, I am exceedingly wary of people whose anger is grossly disproportionate to the situation. It indicates that a person has deeper issues.
I’m just sayin’ .
Have a luffley day, kids. Try to do Kumbaya as a round - it could sound right purty
Good thing we have you around to decide what’s just angry and venting and what’s vicious, mean, hateful and loathesome. Oh wait, that’s the Mods’ job. Your self-appointed role is that of an arbitrary scold.
Don’t like the posts that are allowed to be made in the Pit? Question/Pit the mods for allowing it. DO NOT continue to try to guilt-trip others into conforming to your idea of how things should be. It must be apparent to you now that it’s not. going. to. work. (as you like to put things), but it is going to make a lot of people continue to think you’re a self-righteous twat.
This isn’t rocket science, kiddies. Love the Pit or leave it. You’re not doing any good with your censurious bitchery. Got it?
How about we get the mods to create a new rule? Any pit thread that goes farther than an OP of “I am mad over this” and subsequent posts of “I am also mad about this” or “I am not mad about this” should be locked.
Or you could just stop coming to the pit since it seems to outrage you so much.
I have avoided this whole mess and I shouldn’t even be posting this now, but I for one am tired of people using the story of Jesus and the Pharisees to imply that people cannot ever make judgements about other people’s behavior. Jesus taught that before condemning we have to look at that same behavior in our own lives and try to fix ourselves before we start getting on other people to fix them. “Look at yourself before you look at others”, that is not the same as “tell everyone whatever they are doing is ok”. It does not mean that if I ever did anything wrong in my life, then I cannot ever make value judgements about other people or tell people what they are doing is wrong. If I am in the midst of an affair then I shouldn’t tell someone else to stop, not that if I ever had an affair in the past and gotten through it then I can’t tell someone they shouldn’t smoke crack. If you are going to use a Biblical analogy please use it correctly.
Even if it is due to an addiction or mental impairment, it is not a free pass. Of course everyone deserves mercy if they show repentance and a desire to change - I think people were mostly shocked here that there was an obvious lack of remorse in the beginning, not that someone would be tempted to cheat.
Everyone makes judgements about other people, some do it with the intent of trying to help them, others just do it because it makes themselves feel better. However, when you hold up your life on a public message board and directly ask for opinions, expect to get them even when they don’t agree with yours. When Paris Hilton complains about the paparazzi following her, do you feel sorry for her? Or is that a consequence directly caused by living her life the way she does? Sometimes you can say the paparazzi or the mob goes too far but they wouldn’t be there if she made different choices with her life. Some people beg for the spotlight and then complain it is too bright. Them’s the breaks.
Get the fuck outta here. Every single time I’ve seen one of your posts they’ve been preachy, patronizing, or glurgy. You’re the equivalent of the fat lady at church who annoys everyone with her holier than thou are attitude delivered in a passive-aggresive tone. You pretend to be sweet and nice, but underneath your no better (and indeed, often worse) than the people you look down upon. The only difference between the majority of these “jackals” and you is the jackals are honest about the way they feel. If someone is acting like an idiot and a vast majority of people say so, they aren’t releasing their inner turmoil on some poor victim; they are letting them know that they’re acting like an idiot.
Get the Hell off your high horse. You don’t like what goes on somewhere, you don’t fucking go. It isn’t rocket science, it’s not even simple arithmetic. Only a damned moron would show up at a place that’s been operating one way for several years and insist they change the parameters of operation so you can have your feel-good moment for the week.
You are not the fucking person you’d like to believe you are.
I’m reminded of the busybody who complains to the police about her neighbors’ shamessly parading nude in front of open windows… “Well, sure you can’t see them from here, officer… you have to climb onto my roof and use these binoculars!”
Right. Because between “totally exempt from criticism” and “deserving a mod warning” there is nothing–not even moral condemnation. And who are we to morally condemn? If you can’t understand the difference between junior modding and asking people to behave like civilized humans, then I guess we don’t have much common ground. I feel that way about a lot of people on this board. It is like people who say, “If it’s not illegal, it’s still my right!” Yes, you can legally be an asshole. Similarly, you can still be an asshole while abiding by the rules of the board. Tough to understand? Hit the road, Jack, for somewhere where the intellectual demands are less.
And if you’re still abiding by the rules of the board, and doing it in the right forum, then it’s allowed. Thus, there is no real place for censure, and it becomes about personal sensibilities, which should NOT be legislated. The grey area is: who decides if it’s assholery, or if it’s venting? If it’s just harsh or if it’s hateful? Obviously everyone’s idea of where that line is lies in a different place. Whose to say yours or Quiddity’s or mine is the right place? Everyone’s sensibilities tolerate a different level of expression. I don’t see why yours is right and everyone else’s is wrong.
That’s why I’d leave it to the Mods. This is the Pit. People are going to be nasty to each other. That’s the express purpose of this place. Drawing lines between your OK level of nasty (on the other side of which everyone is a fucking jackal) and other people’s seems arbitrary and self-righteous, esp. when no rules are being violated. If you don’t like that people are going to be nasty on a personal level with another board member, don’t open those threads, or stop reading them. But do stop trying to enforce your sensibilities on others. It ain’t gonna work, NOR SHOULD IT.
Wow. I’m impressed how you’ve managed to capture “condescending shrew” and “moronic dotard” all in the same post. Well done.
We all get it SugarPop. You don’t like nastyness. Until you do. If it’s directed at someone you don’t like it’s fine, but if it’s directed at someone you have a titty-hard-on for it’s hateful and mean. Riiiight.
So you are morally condemning us for morally condemning someone else?
Just a question for you, Quiddity, Autolycus, and anybody else who wants to take a stab at it. How much is too much? If you were granted moddly powers for a day, where would you draw the line? Is there a clear line or is it one of those “I know obscenity when I see it” sorta things?
And likewise you can hit the road for somewhere where it’s not too mean for you.
I will take a stab at it. I would draw the line at no new incites into why the pile on victim is wrong for the in the last 2 pages. The main thread was what 10 pages. I read the whole thing and there was not much new beyond the third of forth page. It was an ugly pile on and should have been closed much sooner in my opinion.
Autolycus: I think you’re funny and you seem like kind of a cool guy. I like reading your posts. I don’t like when you go into “here are my enlightened suggestions on how everyone else should behave” mode. Not very entertaining. Besides, trainwrecks and board drama are amusing. Who takes this stuff seriously anyway?
This board has been running for the better part of a decade, in one form or another. The pit, and its rules, were set up for a reason. But oh no, listen to the priss who signed up four months ago, she knows all about how pit posts should be made.
Generally speaking, join dates are meaningless in most discussions. In the case of board policy and/or acceptable posting styles, however, the older join dates carry more weight.
Have a look at the join dates on both sides of this argument. It’s the newcomers who are advocating change. Again, why should we give a shit what some newcomer thinks? Don’t like it? Don’t read it.
The pit got along fine before you got here, and will again long after you’re gone.
ETA: And of course gazpacho’s post snuck in there while I was composing. Oh well, my point still stands.
But how do you regulate that? Lock the thread and make all further posts subject to moderator approval? Why shouldn’t people who pay to have the right to post for a year (or guest and post free for a month) be able to post just because someone else got there first. You could close the thread after two pages or so, but what if the pittee decides that they haven’t had their full say? Make them start another pit thread to discuss for two pages what was already being discussed in the first two page thread?
As a policy, I can’t think of one way in which that is a workable or practical idea.
As a matter of interest, I believe the “victim” of the last bout of trainwrecky goodness actually said she wasn’t going to ask for it to be closed. Now, if that’s because she was enjoying the attention in true attention-whore fashion, or she’s a massochist, or whatever, so be it.
Honestly, she could have ended that mess on about page 2 if she’d said something like “Wow - you guys have really given me pause. You are right. I was wrong. Sorry for getting everyone worked up like that.”
Ever notice that pit threads where the pittie comes in and goes “Wow, you have a point. Sorry 'bout that.” right off the bat never become trainwrecks? (Now someone is going to go find one that did, but generally I mean.)
But see here’s the thing, there was no one calling for a " lynch mob". She asked for opinions - and she got them.
There was no meat ripping. Just some comments.
She should be able to let some random opinions offered on internet (no matter how harsh) slide.
And if you really aren’t an attention-whore, but feel the need to protect her from those typed words and jr. mod the rest of us you gots problems as well.
[sup]Though my vote goes for attention-whore.[/sup]
Criticize all you want. Start threads, pit someone, or send someone a PM if you feel they are morally in the wrong; but who the Hell are you to decide what is and isn’t morally acceptable on this Board.
Which is a moot point either way considering your first post claimed that she was not playing the role of a junior moderator, which is all that I addressed. Talk about a strawman. You are now attacking me as if I said people acting under the guidelines of the Board can not behave as assholes. If you’ve spent 20 minutes here it’s abundantly clear that assholish behavior can be perfectly legit under the rules. In fact there is a place where assholish behavior is expected, the VERY FUCKING PLACE YOUR POSTING.
Perhaps you can direct me to a website which requires lower intellectual demands, as it’s clear you learned your reasoning skills in such a place.
BTW, glad to see you made it to your computer today, though you’ll likely be pulling a disappearing act now.
How do you regulate anything on this board. How workable is the don’t be a jerk rule etc. There is no good definition of jerks that I have seen. Every thread closing is a judgment call by the mods based on the specific circumstances of the thread. The rules provide guidelines for what sorts of things warrant closing a thread.
If the pittee has not had there say then new stuff is being added and it is not a reposting of the same old stuff and it would continue. If it is a continual reposting of stuff then close the thread.
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