Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022)

British documentary filmmaker Alex Holder confirmed on Tuesday that he had complied with a subpoena from the Jan. 6 committee to turn over never-before-seen footage of former President Donald Trump in the leadup to the insurrection.

The committee will also conduct a deposition of Holder on Thursday, he said in a statement shared on Twitter.

Holder’s cooperation and the footage itself came as a surprise to Trump associates, Rolling Stone reported.

No fucking joke.

This could be very interesting.

The mother and daughter pollworkers should be able to sue for damages. When someone lies about you resulting in harassment and threats you should be able to get compensated. And the grandmother had someone bust in her home, all egged on by Donnie and Rudy. What a disgusting pair. And I agree that it was no fucking accident that he chose black ladies for his attacks.

Republicans and Fox “News” have begun their peel-off in earnest. They had a bloviator on today after the hearing who said it sure looks like Trump committed crimes. No one is defending him anymore.

(I looked for a clip but couldn’t find one yet.)

Republicans are desperate to move off of Trump and move on to DeSantis – who, in my view, is far more dangerous.

They’re also hoping we ignore all the complicit Republicans who likewise committed crimes and focus solely on the ones committed by Trump.

I sure hope we don’t.

Every legal expert I’ve heard asked ‘can Trump be held accountable for targeting those women?’ (or words to that effect) has replied with your point about Trump’s victims being able to sue him. Civil-law remedies–not criminal-law remedies.

Somewhere somehow there should be a criminal-law consequence for a President abusing his power in that way…but “should be” is weak sauce, sadly.

So much all these points.

Trump had active and material help from his staff, including GOP establishment types like Mark Meadows, as well as from then-current members of Congress. Just today we got additional insight into the activities of Ron Johnson, for example.

If there is any unofficial (much less official) deal to let all those people skate, while sacrificing, perhaps, Trump and Eastman—it will be a clear signal that wrongdoing by GOP officeholders has been given the seal of approval. And we will see the results of that green light in the misconduct/election interference that will be perpetrated in the upcoming November elections.

(And, yes: Ron DeSantis is orders of magnitude more dangerous than Donald Trump.)

Yes DeSantis is just as evil and ten times smarter.

It’s classic defamation. He lied about her; he disseminated those lies to other people; she incurred damages. She should be compensated.

I’ve never seen any indication that DeSantis is especially smart, but he has been practicing his Trump lite (mainly by making cultural wedge issues into policy) for a few years now. As a Floridian, I loathe the man.

more accurately DeSantis is just as evil and probably not as dumb

Just going by his resume, Yale grad, Harvard Law.

Sen. Johnson faked being on the phone so he could avoid speaking to a reporter. They just showed the video.

“I can see your screen…”

This just gets more and more absurd.

He is known for being seriously smart… sadly like every one in the trump zone, his brains have been turned to poo.

This would be hilarious if things weren’t so serious.

So was Rafael Cruz.

What’s the phrase?…Ah yes:

Stupid is as stupid does

The problem is just that when Fox news and Conservative Talk radio brainwashes their listeners, they use the hot water cycle, and some shrinkage is expected.

I hate Ted Cruz as much as everyone does, but he’s not an idiot. Craven, spineless, evil, sure. But not stupid.

The one saving grace is he doesn’t have Trump’s charisma.

So should every other civil servant who has had to quit their job out of fear of harm to themselves or their families. A class action suit by all of those folks would be appropriate.

I’m a federal employee. On the infrequent occasions that some idiot thought it a good idea to try to intimidate me or otherwise interfere with my performance of my duties, our Office of Inspector General and the Federal Protective Services took it extremely (at times I thought excessively) seriously. It is hard for me to believe that there isn’t SOME state and/or federal quasi law enforcement organization that would be eager to throw its weight around IRT such pretty clear attempts to intimidate and interfere.

Just finished watching Tuesday’s hearing. I feel like this one has been the most humanizing of the whole thing so far.

Not just for the poll workers, whose testimony was heart-wrenching…but even the state officials who talked about how they are religious and conservative and also loyal to their oaths and weren’t going to bend. Even though I rolled my eyes at the guy who was basically “I took an oath before God to uphold the constitution and I’m gonna do it!” I still feel his testimony could reach a huge swath of Americans who are wrapped around a cross and a flag.

And these people all being harassed at home. Sheesh.

I also thought the phone calls to Raffensburger, and other officials (which I think we’ve heard before?) with Trump and Rudy and lawyers all begging for votes were crazy too.

I really like the scope of these hearings. It takes all of these things we’ve been hearing about piecemeal over the last 18 months and puts them together in one big picture, which is very powerful.

UNFORTUNATELY it is still in the format of 20 hours of hearings, which means they are quite dry, so it’s still going to not reach a lot of people.

Which is weird cuz I’ll watch 20 hours of a show on Netflix in one weekend. I bet a lot of my fellow Americans will too.

I wonder which streaming channel is in the works to turn this into a serial.

And yet he would still vote for Trump again. :woman_facepalming:t4: