Jan 6 Hearings Follow-Along & Commentary Thread (Starts Jun 9, 2022)

Yes I agree, the least relevant. And so naturally, the thing that makes it into Fox News headlines.

I am outraged (but sympathetic) that in the current spate of reactions and comments on the breaking news, this absolute gem didn’t get suitably acknowledged.

(stands on chair applauding, madly waves hat)

Agreed. It was smashing.

@Ann_Hedonia @wolfpup

It does look like the alleged incident in question would have occurred in an armored Suburban, and not The Beast:

and (slightly more detail but apparently reliant on the same Twitter post):

I follow this thread all day while at work, so I don’t post until much later. Also watched some testimony and highlights.

I’ve seen other Trump WH aides commenting on this and confirmed mainly the fear and disbelief of congress people they worked for. One of them said their bosses said, “They set us up.” And I’ve always felt that was the obvious shit.

When all the Proud Shits and Oathers started believing the horseshit they were fed… I can’t understand why they don’t catch this.

Trump set those rubes up before Election Day. Same goes with the congress supporters to Trump. It still flabbergasts me that they even considered the big lie to be true. If you were warned it was gonna be stolen, why not try to stop it?

But Cassidy (Eeeeee! Cute and tall and well-spoken!) gave a great amount of testimony on others— her dopey boss— and the idiocy of those around Trump.

With that, I’m hoping more subpoenas come out, or at least Garland starts indicting people.

I take the Secret Service agents’ denials with plenty of salt. DJT’s detail was infested with MAGAbots and I’m sure they’d gladly perjure themselves for their Dear Leader. But- even if there is no further corroboration, I believe today’s witness. She plainly said that’s what she heard, so even if proven incorrect that invalidates none of her other testimony. Of course, to the MAGA base any falsehood told by anyone else in the world more than outweighs all the lies that Donnie has told in his entire life.

Yep. This is the only thing “above the fold” on the Fox “News” website.

I don’t want to piss in anyone’s Cheerios, but ANY legal argument can (and will be) elevated to SCOTUS. -Currently consisting as a R/W political arm.
I’m not confident that we currently have the “Checks and Balances” in place to see justice here…

This is encouraging. (Gift link)

…Since late last year, when he was detailed to the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington, Mr. Windom, 44, has emerged as a key leader in one of the most complex, consequential and sensitive inquiries to have been taken on by the Justice Department in recent memory, and one that has kicked into higher gear over the past week with a raft of new subpoenas and other steps.

It is Mr. Windom, working under the close supervision of Attorney General Merrick B. Garland’s top aides, who is executing the department’s time-tested, if slow-moving, strategy of working from the periphery of the events inward, according to interviews with defense lawyers, department officials and the recipients of subpoenas.

In case anyone needs reminding, this happened a week prior to the Insurrection:

Oh, thank you for that gift link! Great read.

Here was the money quote, for me:

Mirriam Seddiq, a criminal defense lawyer in Maryland who opposed Mr. Windom in two fraud cases, said he was a personable but “inflexible” adversary who sought sentences that, in her view, were unduly harsh and punitive. But Ms. Seddiq said she thought he was well suited to his new job.

“If you are going to be a bastard, be a bastard in defense of democracy,” she said in an interview.

Now, THAT is the kind of attorney to have running this thing!

How many of the 63 lawsuits filed by Trump and his enablers alleging election fraud made it to the Supreme Court? None. Almost all were dismissed by lower court judges, some of them appointed by Trump. Only one case AFAIK was filed with the Supreme Court, the one brought by Ken Paxton brazenly seeking to reject the Democratic votes of four states. The Supreme Court declined to hear it.

This is not to say that I have much faith in this court, but they at least need to maintain some plausible appearance of legitimacy.

My statement stands. SCOTUS will ultimately decide…

It seems to have come out already that Flynn actively opposed the peaceful transfer of power. This is from Wikipedia:

On July 4, 2020, Flynn pledged an oath to the pro-Trump QAnon conspiracy theory,[36] and as Trump sought to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in which he was defeated, Flynn suggested the president should suspend the Constitution, silence the press, and hold a new election under military authority.[37] Flynn later met with Trump and their attorney Powell in the Oval Office to discuss the president’s options. Trump denied reports that Flynn’s martial law idea had been discussed.[38][39][40] On January 8, 2021, Twitter permanently banned Flynn, Powell and others who promoted QAnon.[[41]](Michael Flynn - Wikipedia

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I’m interested in what advise her trumpy lawyer gave her before she ditched him.

Isn’t it a different situation when someone is charged with a crime? If the lower court convicts them, they can appeal, and if the higher court wants to accept the appeal they can hear it. So how many layers between whatever court would be asked to convict them first, and SCOTUS? If they turn down the appeal, then the conviction stands. If not, then maybe not.

We already have a full pit thread of the things Flynn has said and done, touched off by his claim of America by, for, and of Christians (I’m editorializing a bit, but well, what he said is what he said). And he happily signed off on seizing all the voting machines to ‘find’ the evidence although in microscopic defense, he did want a legal team to review it. Considering his fellow travelling lawyers though…

“They’re going to ask you questions. Just plead the Fifth to each one. You’ll be well taken care of, if you know what I mean.”

According to her testimony, It was Tony Ornato who spoke the words to her, but Engel was sitting in the room and said nothing to contradict the story. If Engel now testifies that it wasn’t true, then one of them will be a liar.

Meadows was on the phone and unconcerned with disturbing developments because he planned it. As the story is unfolding, the plot was way too complicated for trump. At best, Roger Stone was the mastermind, but Meadows was his man on the inside.