Well, I didn’t have it DNA tested, my Cznarky friend, but I do well recall going with Mom to pick up Dad at the Pentagon and not getting to hug him because there was sticky stuff all over him. And I remember how upset they both were for days afterward.
I also recall acknowledging in my post above that I don’t know whether she was directly involved. So what, exactly, was your point?
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If you don’t know, why did you bring it up?
My mother protested that war, and you don’t know that she didn’t spit on your father or throw pig’s blood on him. Do you hate her?
I won’t call her a Hero or heroine as **septimus **did in the Op. But good on her using her fame to try and help out in the most important issue I can think of today.
Let’s face it, climate change will cause rising waters. Rising waters are going to cause economic hardship and massive displacements of people. This will lead to a refugee crisis and probably a lot of wars.
Whatever we can do to lessen climate change and melting icecaps should be addressed and should’ve been addressed 20+ years ago.
So thank you Jane Fonda for doing good.
You have no knowledge that she was involved in any way, shape or form, do you?
I told my wife I hope her ex-hub’s private jet never had plastic straws aboard. That would make her a hypocrite.
I have to say, as someone who wasn’t there, none of the ire makes any sense to me. I’ve grown up knowing that the Vietnam war was ill advised, and that the anti-war side was essentially right. So why would I hate her for being on the anti-war side?
It would be one thing if she’d actually done something that caused a bunch of troops to die or something. But, no. She was just a face for the anti-war side, and tried to be an ambassador for piece, not unlike, say, Dennis Rodman. Sure, people think he’s being a fool, but people don’t hate him.
I read more about her apologizing for having dared to say anything negative about the troops than I do of what she said that was so bad. She’s made it clear that she still respected the troops. Wasn’t that the problem–the disrespect? So why doesn’t clarifying that she doesn’t hate them in one of the more sincere apologies I’ve ever seen make anyone hate her less?
I’d get it if she were a murderer, child molester, rapist, etc. That stuff at least can qualify as “unforgivable.” But simply being against the troops? That describes 50+% of the US back then. The troops were hated because of the draft. The draft is gone, and part of the reason is all these protests.
What about the people saying we need to pull out our troops from all these other places? They don’t seem to be unforgivable. I mean, our current president was elected on the idea that we need to pull them out, after deliberately attacking several military people. Yet 99% of the people who were on the anti-war side are on Trump’s side now.
None of it makes any sense to me at all.
She went further than simply being against the war. She supported the other side. She traveled to North Vietnam while the United States was at war with that country and made public speeches in support of the North Vietnamese war effort. As far as I’m concerned, she was wrong to do this.
The part that didn’t happen was the story that Fonda met with some American POW’s who slipped her notes to take back to America. Fonda supposedly then turned the notes over to the North Vietnamese and the POW’s were beaten in retaliation. This didn’t happen. Fonda did meet with a group of American POW’s but they agreed to meet her, there were no notes passed or turned over, and the POW’s were not beaten afterwards. Fonda did bring letters to POW’s and brought POW letters back to America (both with North Vietnamese permission).
His last film is in the closet?
Supporting the Vietnamese is no worse than supporting the U.S.; that could hypothetically be an honest political position. But claiming to be anti-war while giving propaganda speeches and hanging out at military installations is not cool.
I hate Rodman about as much a I hate Fonda. They don’t run free in my head, but if I think about it, they are close to equal (Fonda worse). Rodman acting all buddy-buddy with Lil Kim was borderline treason IMO. He’s not a member of the state department. He was giving legitimacy to Kim, as if he were a stable ruler.
You clearly missed the sentences following that one, so I’ve bolded and underlined them for you.
The draft was precisely the reason that the troops should have been held innocent. It was the politicians who needed to be protested against, derided and pressured. The troops didn’t want to be there either. They should have been honored for the sacrifices they made, under orders from their government, and the government should have been held responsible for its poor decision-making.
I’m sorry, but when you hold yourself up as a leader in a protest, you are responsible for the direction in which you steer that action and attention.
This meme — that rich people with progressive politics should not be allowed to spend their wealth — is a confused right-wing canard. It reflects badly on those who parrot it.
Well I see Jane Fonda has been arrested for the third time, and plans to keep breaking the law every Friday. I’ll admit there’s a part of me that would like to see her treated like non celebrity criminals and actually do some time for her habitual violation of the law, I mean it would really make the martyr schtick more palatable.
In DC all protesters are pretty much cycled through with a $50 fine. It’s extremely rare for any further prosecution to occur, and only if there’s been some destruction of property.
Organizers hand out the $50 bills to each as they enter the protest area. It’s routine. It may be less so in other cities, but I’m sure they all have a fairly pat procedure. Nobody wants to try and re-litigate the First Amendment.