Apparently, the Jedi live under a strict code. My question, wouldn’t the Jedi Code promote fairness and chivalry? “A jedi only attacks in defense”, says Yoda.
If so why did Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan bum-rush Darth Maul, who was just standing in an elevator? Luckily, it worked out for Maul, since he had a double-saber to thwart such a double-attack.
At the end of AOTC, Anakin and Obi-Wan begin to gang up on old-man Dooku while he’s trying to get away.
Why can’t it be mano-y-mano? Bad guys are usually the ones who cheat (like Vader getting his Stormtroopers to help vs Obi-Wan).
Er, if you’re referring to the scene in Amidala’s palace when the big battle is getting underway, I think its pretty clear that Maul’s there because he means business.
Uh, dude, he’s talking about the Phantom Menace. It’s been out for three years.
And it was very clear that Maul meant business. He lit up his lightsaber blades first, then they stepped in to fight him.
In Attack of the Clones,
Anakin does strike out of anger against Tusken raiders(who killed his mother). He kills the men, women, and children. It’s really the first step down toward the darkside. It’s quite brutal too.
Uh, dude, he’s talking about the Phantom Menace. It’s been out for three years.
And it was very clear that Maul meant business. He lit up his lightsaber blades first, then they stepped in to fight him.
In Attack of the Clones,
Anakin does strike out of anger against Tusken raiders(who killed his mother). He kills the men, women, and children. It’s really the first step down toward the darkside. It’s quite brutal too.
Sorry for not realizing that he did indeed mention AOTC.
Now this is critical…
Hubzilla, you are way off on Attack of the Clones.
What actually happens is:
[spoiler]Dooku is fleeing from the Arena 'cause Yoda showed up with the clones. Anakin and Obi-Wan have to go after him so that he doesn’t get away and go about doing evil elsewhere. They fight him. HE WINS. Yoda comes in, defeats Dooku with his lightsaber(Yoda’s is green). But, Dooku gets away anyway and does go on to do great evil in Episode III(I assume).
So anyway, they weren’t going after some feeble old man who was down and out. They were trying to prevent him from getting away. If that is offensive atacking, so would Luke’s blowing up the Death Star in Episode IV be.[/spoiler]
Sorry about the spoiler, I figured it would be common knowledge that the good guy and bad guy would have a lightsaber battle.
Apparently not. Again, my apologies. I am a donkey dink.
Mahaloth:
According the novel, Obi-Wan tells Anakin how he plans to work together vs Dooku. But Annie ignores him and charges, much to Obi’s chagrin. So, it was indeed going to be another unfair fight.
So, it’s okay for 2 jedis to gang up on one sith apprentice.
We are told by Yoda that Jedi use their power for knowledge and defense. Looking at Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon, we see that knowledge and defense mean:
Lying to local law enforcement
Busting up bar fights
Distracting guards
Cheating at gambling
Badgering a merchant into accepting a deal he already said he doesn’t want
Lying (though neither of them use the force to do that)
Give me a break. It’s not the “good guy-bad guy” thing, it’s that you gave out specific information on a specific conflict that certainly was not common knowledge.
It is true that Anakin rushes instead of working with Dooku. Dooku casts that force lightning stuff and knocks Anakin out(conveniently allowing for a one on one between Obi-Wan and Dooku). What I meant is that their whole attack on Dooku is justified just like the whole attack on the Death Star is. Dooku is like a living Death Star, so any tactic is reasonable.
rjung - I haven’t seen Episode II yet, of course (on account of the fact that it hasn’t been released here yet, and I don’t really care for the whole theater environment anymore anyway), but I don’t think many viewers are going to have a big beef with the things you pointed out.
Yoda’s ideal of knowledge and defense is just that…an ideal. He can’t control what his charges do in the field. In fact, Qui-Gon’s reputation as someone who rarely went with the program is well-known among the Jedi community in Episode 1. (After the total destruction of the entire Jedi order by E4, of course, all bets are off.)
Furthermore, while Jedis may be reluctant to resort to violence, an enemy is an enemy, and mercy is never due evildoers, especially the vile Sith Lords. I’m certain that if there were other Jedis available to take on Maul, they’d join in the battle in a heartbeat.
It’s not like they hadn’t encountered Maul before. He attacked Qui-Gon out of the clear blue sky, literally, on Tatooine. Qui-Gon already felt that the Queen was in danger. The Council ordered him to accompany her back to Naboo specifically because her attacker might be drawn out. I think it was pretty easy for them to out two and two together and come up with “Get him!”
Also, there’s nothing un-Jedi-like about unfair odds. The idea of a fair, one-on-one fight is that it proves the winner is superior. In other words, it’s about glory. Jedi don’t care about glory, they care about maintaining the peace and protecting the innocent. In this case, the best way to do so is to take down the Dark Jedi as fast as possible, and to hell with any nonsense about a “fair fight.”
