I know the feeling, having quickly gained a workplace reputation as the “anal guy.”
Fortunately I’m a writer, but as nicknames go…
Well, so what of it? Neither do I. I have tried and tried, but apparently I’m just not that attractive to non-Caucasians. Or Caucasians for that matter.
Something tells me that wasn’t Ms. Jameson’s problem.
Pardon?
I have never encountered a flaccid member that wouldn’t be highly improved by becoming rock hard.
I’m not sure we’re even speaking the same language here.
I’m completely perplexed.
And wouldn’t that be like having an eel inside? 
According to video evidence floating around the Internet a couple of years ago, they like that over in Japan.
Jenna J has been overexposed even for a pornstar for years, for some reason for a decade now the mainstream prime-time-trash media (I’m looking at you, MTV/VH1/E!) seem to know only two porn performers: Jenna and Ron Jeremy. It would not surprise me that a whole lot of other pornstars have entirely capricious standards of what/who will they **not ** do on camera, regardless of what they do offstage. She just gets more publicity.
Yes, I know, this was meant ironically but it does point to one of the underlying themes in the discourse of such an issue (the discourse at large, not just The Dope): There IS a number of people out there, for whom the idea* “a porn performer has standards” * is just a hoot in and of itself… and who will loudly call attention to instances, both piositively and negatively. I remember that in the 1980s the porn “critics” (such as they were: Al Goldstein, Jim Holliday and others of the sort) would make a big deal of how Annete Haven never did “facials”, and into the 90s it was considered a huge deal if one of the “contract girls” from the major publishers went anal.
Some of them do so in the direction of trying to define the set that makes for a subcategory of “classy” porn stars (and depending on the person making the judgement, doing interracial may be a pro or a con) and some of them in the direction of identifying which ones are the dirtier whores (which could be because they are turned on by whory girls). Another thing to bear in mind is that there’s a segment of the public who gets their rise not just from the naked poking, but also from the feeling that they’re watching a scene of social/moral transgression.
And we may not like to hear it but interracial IS still among the sexual variations that are subject to that point of view, and among a segment of the public there’s the view that miscegenation is a very unusual thing. (Sure, they split between those for whom it’s unusually alluring, and those for whom it is unusually offputting.) Like **Geobabe ** quoted Ms. Carrera as saying, when it comes to doing anything that may be considered even mildly fetishistic there’s an interest in the girls establishing **some ** boundaries wherever they can, lest once you cross a particular threshold it becomea expected and you start noticing all your job offers include it – which is something you can pick and choose and name your terms if you were Jenna J but not exactly feasible for some of the others.
JRDelirious, thanks for the insightful answer just as I was about to write this thread off as hopelessly, permanently off-topic.
I know a gay white guy who won’t have sex with white guys. Is he racist?
How in the world is choosing particular characteristics in a sexual partner racist? Suppose someone chooses not to have sex with anyone. Is he a misanthrope?
I call BS. Whatever criteria someone chooses to pick sexual partners is nobody’s business.
I’d say so. What one characteristic could possibly be present in all white men and no other men, that he would dismiss them all off-hand without even considering that they could have positive traits that could make up for it? Anyone who believes that s/he can’t possibly be turned on by even one member of an entire class of people of the appropriate gender, numbering in the millions or billions, just hasn’t met enough of those people yet. I bet you that if he had the chance to examine every single white man of the appropriate age group–even if you limit it to something the size of, say, the Toronto metro area–he would find one he wouldn’t mind sleeping with. If not, he’s a racist, because what defines racism more clearly than the willingness to dismiss an entire group’s usefulness in some field of endeavor entirely just because of their apparent ethnicity?
I can’t say much about that, as I don’t have much experience with asexuality, but I’d say the odds are good.
We’re talking about the criteria someone chooses to pick people to work with, here. Jenna has reportedly had black and Hispanic sexual partners outside of the office. Remember, you’re the one who made this a discussion about private decisions, not me.
You argument only holds water so long as the purpose of the exclusion is ostensibly irrespective of appearance. Excluding a job candidate or a customer or a friend because of their appearance fits because a persons appearance is irrelevant to filling the role. A persons appearance is a primary concern in choosing sexual partners, therefore using a person skin color as a determining factor is not racist.
Its analogous to refusing a job that requires heavy lifting and climbing to a disabled person. The persons abilities are a critical factor to completing the job and therefore making a decision based on them is valid and acceptable.
There’s no evidence I’m aware of that Jenna has been with a black man. FTR.
I’m not attracted to obese people, have I just not met enough then? I’m not attracted to midgets, have I not met enough of them? I’m prejudiced against all groups of people that I wouldn’t want to have sex with? I find your position pretty odd.
You’re welcome, Rubystreak. Evidently, because of the nature of the “work” involved, you cannot enforce EEO in porn except through the method of selecting, to begin with, players willing to voluntarily engage in it.
But let’s go further: what percent of the total mainstream Hollywood-made movie/TV output in the past 5 years spotlighted a B/W interracial couple? Sure, here it’s a production decision but the point is, even in that mainstream, public-opinion-sensitive environment, realistically there is seldom colorblind casting, and interracial couples are most often cast when *the express intention is ** to show a mixed couple: that is, even in mainstram media, the portrayal of an interracial liaison is still the exception, seen as something unusual, in most instances seeming to be done deliberately to make some sort of point. So if in mainstream media the “safe bet” for selling the product is to have most couples be not-that-divergent in ethnoracial terms (oh, sure, you get whitebread wasps and rednecks mixing it up with Jewish New Yorkers and SoCal surfers and Joiseytalian wiseguys and attending fat Greek weddings or whatever, but even then it’s deliberate contrast played for laughs or drama), why should porn’s toast be buttered on a different side? You’re looking for a mass market, you sell to the masses’ comfort zone.
Now, in mainstream the choice of whether it’ll be a B/B, W/W or B/W romance is purely the writer/producer/director’s, and in any case, well, how do I put this, it’s hard to object to mere [Master Thespian] ACTING! * [/MT] when nobody’s actually gulping down anyone’s johnson in front of the camera. Contrast porn, wherein that is ** what is going on on the set, and you can see how the players’ own preferences may play a larger role.
(Mainstream actors OTOH CAN just say “no nudity, no bed scenes” and thus avoid all but PG-rated romance scenes --they’ll miss roles but nobody will think less of them… again, a decision as to how you’ll sell yourself to the public, separate from how you behave privately.)
According to this source, Jenna does not have any interracial scenes in any of her 132 films. (It would indicate IR if the film had her in such a scene.)
Some days, it doesn’t matter what is going on…it just ain’t happening no matter how hard you try.
The things I learn about on the SDMB …
People who identify as “black” range from pale white (albinos) to darker than the night, and can have an incredibly diverse array of facial features and structures. Most black people that the average American is going to come across (heh) fit inside a narrower spectrum, true, but “I would never have sex with a black person” is still a much different concept from “dark skin (or big lips, or whatever) tends to turn me off”, and writes off a lot of people in the world unfairly. (Of course, there’s the argument that those people are better off without the racist lover.)
That analogy breaks down on the line between objectivity and subjectivity. Paraplegics are inherently and objectively unable to climb; black people are not inherently and objectively unable to have a pretend sexual relationship with Jenna Jameson in front of a camera.
Someone upthread said that she has, according to Jenna herself. I don’t have a cite or anything; I took that Doper at his word.
There’s a difference between “I’m not attracted to” and “I would never, under any circumstances, ever have sex with”. Now, it may well be the case that you would never, not even in your most desperate moments, ever consider ever having sex with one obese person, ever. But that’s miles away from “I would never have sex with a black person” and you know it.
Maybe if you’re on meth.
Oh wait :smack: That explains that porno scene then, doesn’t it?
I think the “I’m not attracted to” and “I would never, under any circumstances, ever have sex with” argument is a strawman. You say that the average American black person has a more limited range of features. If a person doesn’t find those features attractive are they going to respond to the question of whether or not they’d have sex with a black person with “Well it depends, black people have a very diverse set of features and personalities. Although I don’t find the majority of them attractive there are probably a few that I would copulate with.” or “no”?
Also, what is the difference between my proposed situation? Fat people don’t offer a variety of features that people could be attracted to like black people? Maybe fat people are just easier to “discriminate” against in some views.
If Jenna Jameson is racist, fuck her.
Which question? “Do you find black people attractive?” or “would you ever have sex with a black person?”? Once again, you’re ignoring the difference.
You didn’t say “fat”, you said “obese”. Obesity is a condition with a specific medical definition, and even those who aren’t familiar with the latest medical consensus on what it means will generally picture “obese” as more serious than “fat”. I’m not just playing word games here: when you say “fat”, you could mean anything from “a little chubby” to “needs a team of lifters to move from one room to the other”. A brief look at the technological wonder we call the Internet will reveal that there are people who are attracted by women on various points in that spectrum. But you can’t be seriously telling me that you don’t understand the difference between being obese and being black, can you? Come on, now.