Jerry Fallwell can go to hell!!!

The BBQ Pit
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Meet the other side of the equation: HardCore Christian Zealots. After the attack, these little SOB goes around saying that God was PUNISHING us because (this is a quote by Jerry Fallwell and was supported by Pat Robertson) “liberal civil liberties groups, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters bear partial responsability for tuesdays terrorist attacks because their actions have turned God’s anger against America”

The disrespect to these people who died, especially those who fall into one or more of these catagories, is unbelievable. While America is trying to heal idiots like Fallwell and his lackey, Pat Robertson are trying to use this act of evil to further their own ambitions and ideals of life. Now, I am not a homosexual, or too liberal, or in favor of abortion, but the total callousness that these statements carry makes me sick.

It is awful people like these who caused this wound in our nation, and who attempt to deprive people of any freedom, from the way people think, to what they believe in, to their lifestyle. These supposed men of the cloth are no better than those terrorists, and give shame to all who call themselves American citizens.

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I like your thread title.

I’m not even a Christian, but it’s been my opinion for quite some time that Falwell et al are going to have quite an unpleasant surprise when they die.

These past few weeks cinched it.

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so god was punishing investment bankers?

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I can’t believe that at one time I actually defended Jerry Falwell. It was during the televangelist scandals when Jim & Tammy Baker and Jimmy Swaggart were disgracing themselves. Jerry Falwell stepped in to take over the finances of the Jim & Tammy empire and I think showed himself to be a man of integrity, regardless of what I thought of his beliefs (I’m an atheist). Robertson I never liked.

But now these guys have damned themselves to the BBQ Pit of “history’s discarded lies”. How they can preach this garbage is beyond me.

For the record, here is his apology:

Last Thursday during an appearance on the 700 Club, in the midst of the shock and mourning of a dark week for America, I made a statement that I should not have made and which I sincerely regret. I apologize that, during a week when everyone appropriately dropped all labels and no one was seen as liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, religious or secular, I singled out for blame certain groups of Americans.

This was insensitive, uncalled for at the time, and unnecessary as part of the commentary on this destruction. The only label any of us needs in such a terrible time of crisis is that of ‘American.’

I obviously did not state my theological convictions very well and I stated them at a bad time. During the difficult weeks ahead there will be much discussion about the judgment of God. It is a worthy discussion for all of us at a time when we are reminded of the fleeting nature of life itself, but it is a complicated discussion.

I do not know if the horrific events of September 11 are the judgment of God, but if they are, that judgment is on all of America–including me and all fellow sinners–and not on any particular group.

My statements were understandably called divisive by some, including those whom I mentioned by name in the interview. This grieves me, as I had no intention of being divisive.

In conclusion, I blame no one but the hijackers and terrorists for the barbaric happenings of September 11.

We know, as Abraham Lincoln anguished in his second inaugural address, that “The Almighty has his own purposes,” but as he said, “The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.”
http://www.falwell.com/

I’m grateful and pleased that he apologized, but I don’t for one second think that he has reconsidered his beliefs. It is utter garbage, and conjures up visions of the terrible religious oppression that has occured in this world from time to time.

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With all due respect, that apology is Bull. It is obvious the way he worded it he is not taking back his statement or altering his beliefs, he is just saying he made those statements at the wrong time. He failed to acknowledge that anytime is the wrong time for something like that (Newsflash: The country is no longer entirely composed of White UltraConservative Christian Right Wingers!) I have yet to come upon something unoffensive that he has ever said, and IMHO, he should be tossed to whatever cesspool of a countryhe came from.

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I don’t think that’s really fair, martinez. “I do not know if the horrific events of September 11 are the judgment of God, but if they are, that judgment is on all of America–including me and all fellow sinners–and not on any particular group.” is a retraction of his earlier rhetoric about God smiting us immoral Americans because of our abortions and civil rights groups.

I despise him for the hateful image of Christianity that he presents to this world, but IMHO this apology shows class.

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Falwell first says:

“liberal civil liberties groups, feminists, homosexuals, and abortion rights supporters bear partial responsability for tuesdays terrorist attacks because their actions have turned God’s anger against America.”

Falwell then says:

“My statements were understandably called divisive by some, including those whom I mentioned by name in the interview. This grieves me, as I had no intention of being divisive.”

My left fuckin’ nut. No intention of being divisive? Did you bother to remove your head from your ass before you went on that show? Did you have anything prepared to say? Or was that just verbal diarrhea?

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When Falwell first called CNN to defend his statements, he said, “I do believe, as a theologian, based upon many Scriptures and particularly Proverbs 14:23, which says, ‘Living by God’s principles promotes a nation to greatness, violating those principles brings a nation to shame.’”

Look up Proverbs 14:23 in your own Bible. Not only is he utterly without class, he is a crummy theologian. (If you don’t have a Bible handy, click here.) Twist that passage as I may, I cannot make it say what he says it says.

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Nothing that Osama bin Falwell and Saddam Robertson says amazes me anymore.

I heard a woman call into a radio show and ask of Islam “What kind of religion justifies hate and the killing of innocent people?”

My answer would be the same kind of religion that justifies bombing abortion clinics and tying homosexuals to fence posts.

Fundamentalist zealotry is evil, whether its Christian or Islamic.

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I was quite moved by Scott Simon’s commentary on NPR on this issue. One of the men who laid down their lives so that other might live, on the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania, was a gay athlete. Mr. Simon made his point that his action had more in common with Christ’s sacrifice on the cross that that of any TV pundit’s verbal excretions.

This hit home with me because, although I’m perfectly capable of sligning bullshit all day long, in my heart of hearts believe that the abiltiy to muster the saliva to spit in death’s eye is the true test of character.

(King Rat - please have a look at “The Eyes of Tammy Faye,” for an interesting insight into Falwell’s self-serving handling of the PTL affair.)

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Apology or not, Falwell is still going straight to his very own Christian Hell. To attempt to make moral capital out of such tragedy is pure evil.

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My boyfriend said something funny about this: if the World Trade Centre incident was God’s punishment for sinners, then is Usama bin Laden an instrument of God?