Jews and the slave trade

I may have been thinking about Brown.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=515322

But Harvard does seem to have benefitted from slave wnership and the slave trade. (see Royall and Cabot).

http://www.thecrimson.com/printerfriendly.aspx?ref=523257

Well, they could also be artisans – goldsmiths, etc. – and professionals – not lawyers, but doctors for sure. But generally the point holds: At most times and places in Medieval Europe, Jews were not allowed to own land, not even as serfs or tenants, because there was no clear distinction between owning land and ruling it, and a tenant sometimes had subtenants, and a Jewish landowner therefore might conceivably exercise authority over Christians – unacceptable to the thinking of the time. So they were left with supporting themselves by moneylending (which the Church did not allow Christians to do), commerce, and crafts.

Most of the crafts were under the control of the guilds, and Jews couldn’t join guilds.

Except the Freemasons, which is [del]how we came to rule the world[/del] unimportant.

Finn, ixnay on the eemasonfray.

You misspelled “Brown”.

Of course Harvard benefited from the slave trade. The Triangle Trade was very important to the US as a whole. Since slaves were part of it, then the US is founded, in significant parts, on the trading of slaves. And any family that goes back that far and had dealings in trade probably had their fingers involved somewhere. (But only probably and not certainly. Americans are, as a rule, stubborn about ideology, and a number of ideologies at the time were very anti-slavery.)

So… about them jews and the slavery… anything?

Not so much in the US, but they were major participants in the slave trade in Egypt.

I think this thread got jacked because the OP’s original issue was pretty much resolved by the fourth or fifth response. i.e. aside from Joseph’s brothers selling him into slavery, there is nothing particularly jewish about slavetrading.

I’m surprised that no one has brought up the allegation that Jews were/are the mainstay of white slavery (I believe this was big on the anti-Semite hit parade a century or so ago).

It’s a good thing it got nipped in the bud, otherwise we’d be seeing Hasidics running around in purple outfits and really flashy hats.

Well - I know it is not what you are referring to, but it is often forgotten these days that “African slavery” was not a one-way street. There there was also the North African “White Slave Trade”, where the various North African statelets made a living from kidnapping Europeans and enslaving them (the “Barbary corsairs”), and in many cases selling them back to their relations. Some Jews were involved in the “selling 'em back to their relations” part of the business, as they could move between the N. African and European worlds with money.

It is surprising to remember that Africans (though admittedly not sub-Saharan Africans!) enslaved over a million Europeans at more or less the same time as Europeans were enslaving millions of Africans. Even the new United States paid tribute to the African slavers, for a time (and developed a fleet for the express purpose of changing this situation).

Though “slave redemption” may be a better way of describing some Jews’ roles in this business.

Wait, what? The Mossad is ‘their most representative organisation’? Is this true? I don’t know any American Jews who feel the Mossad ‘represents’ them, but perhaps non-Jews feel differently and I’m just in the dark.

Heh. A leben ahf dein kepele!

  • ‘A long life on your head’. Or, idiomatically: ‘well said’.

So, the assumption here is that the reason there weren’t more Jews involved in the slave trade is that they refused on moral grounds? Not that I’m refuting it, I’m just curious. It would be refreshing if true.

No, I think the reason there weren’t more Jews involved in the slave trade was because, by and large, there weren’t many Jews in a position to get involved in it.

I’m a goy and that confused me too.

Every* crime in the alphabet, all in the name of the Jewish state, unless you want me to be specific?

Are you saying you don’t think they are the most influential organisation in Israel, and that they have no relevance to the rest of the jews in the world?

  • Okay, slight hyperbole. I meant almost.

So basically the same as most other intelligence agencies, you mean?

Yup, world Jewery is defined by the Mossad, who have committed every crime in the alphabet. You got that right.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have some Christian babies I wish to bake in my Matzoh. The only question is - does that go under “C”, “B” or “M” in the alphabet? :smiley:

Yes, but Mossad aren’t so well respected by the rest of the world’s security services because they always get the beers in.

And “respect” probably isn’t the right word - “feared” would be more appropriate… because they know where all the bodies are hidden, as the saying goes.

As a cheap shot, your earlier Mossad crack fell within the general tolerance of Great Debate practices.

Expanding this to one more Jewish Conspiracy Theory is an out-of-line hijack. If you really intend to defend this line of discussion, take it to a separate thread.

Mossad was not involved in the Atlantic Slave Trade and it has no business in this thread.

[ /Moderating ]