He’s made the point before, but this was more biting – “If you’re taking vaccine advice from me, is that really my fault? What dumb s**t were you about to do when my stupid idea sounded better? ‘You know that dude who made people eat animal dicks on TV? How does he feel about medicine?’ If you want my advice, don’t take my advice.”
I simply can’t bring myself to give him any credit for seeming self-awareness.
Grifters gonna’ grift …
[The greedy and the ignorant – same as it ever was]
If you genuinely know your advice is bad, you stop giving it. You don’t blame other people for taking it. That’s the Tucker Carlson or Alex Jones defense.
But the obvious is … it’s a feature, not a bug.
There’s just no bottom with this bunch.
And – as another subject for another day – it’s very American. I cringe a little, inside, when I hear caveat emptor. It’s a tacit admission that American capitalism is inherently sleazy and avaricious and the burden, in effect, is solely on the consumer to sift through it and try hard not to get screwed.
And it’s in really sharp relief when – as you say: with Tucker, too – you can openly deride your audience for their stupidity and actually gain market share.
Dr. Todd Grande talked about him today.
I think a lot of Rogan fans were there since there were a lot of dislikes. (I’m using an extension to see those.)
I don’t know Joe Rogan, but people who DO know him seem to think he’s the most principled and non-bigoted person they’ve ever met.
And who the hell is Rumble? Do they HAVE one hundred million dollars?
Every couple of months we hear about some new right wing social media platform or online network or something, and two months later it vanishes without a trace.
Anybody wondering why Rogan’s audience seems to trust him more than legacy media could do worse than read this absolutely insane opinion piece from CNN. It really is a perfect synthesis of why so many people dislike and distrust mainstream cable news. Monty Python would struggle to come up with something more absurd than this.
EDIT: I’ve just noticed that they’ve changed the headline. The original headline was (I shit you not) Joe Rogan’s use of the n-word is another January 6th moment
Preach on, Walter! We need more racist hate speech! WHITE POWER!!!
(/sarcasm)
Whis is what, exactly? Would I be correct in guessing that, in your opinion, CNN is and Fox isn’t?
But there have been occasions where mainstream cable news (I’m thinking of CNN in particular) have also not been on the responsible side of things. For instance, during the BLM protests an open letter signed by over 1,000 scientists claimed that protestors shouldn’t let the threat of COVID keep them from attending demonstrations because, according to them, systemic racism was more dangerous than COVID. CNN publicised this letter uncritically.
It was obvious at the time that this was dangerous advice. Even though the pandemic was still in its infancy, physicians and epidemiologists had already established:
a). How COVID spread.
b). That a considerable number of people were asymptomatic carriers/spreaders.
c). That masks, while better than nothing, aren’t all that effective at preventing transmission.
d). That people of color were more likely to be severely affected if they caught it.
Furthermore, simple observation tells us that, even if adhering to proper social distancing recommendations during a protest were possible, an enormous number of people weren’t bothering.
Contrast this with Rogan’s stance on vaccines. A lot of people have come to believe that Rogan is adamantly opposed to anyone taking the vaccine. This misimpression doesn’t come from Rogan himself, but from the careless relaying of his stance by outlets like CNN. To be clear, Rogan’s stance on vaccines is:
Here’s an in context summary of his position. He’s also at pains to say that he’s not a respected source of information.
So, here we have two pieces of misinformation, one from CNN and the other from Joe Rogan. Unlike Rogan, CNN does position itself as a respected source of information (“The most trusted name in news”). And unlike Rogan, who may be wrong but who at least genuinely believes what he’s saying, the odds that CNN didn’t know they were spreading dangerous misinformation when they signal-boosted that ridiculous open letter are so small as to not be worth calculating. I think the equivalence might be closer than you imagine.
That’s a cute one. Black people shouldn’t protest about being second class citizens during a pandemic, because, as second class citizens, they receive subpar medical treatment.
But it’s true, isn’t it? There’s a wealth of evidence to show that people of color suffer worse COVID outcomes than whites. And everything we know about systemic inequality tells us that the problems which lead to these unequal outcomes are so entrenched that they’ll take years, if not decades, to fully rectify. Therefore, from a strict risk management perspective, people of color should take extra care to avoid large crowds, not only to protect themselves but also to protect friends and family members who didn’t attend and didn’t consent to take the same risk of infection.
Obviously, this isn’t true now because we have the vaccines. But it was certainly true in Summer of 2020 when CNN publicised that open letter.
Well, yes. But only because, in my opinion, FOX isn’t news at all.
You’re right, it holds up strictly logically, but it’s ironic.
I think we knew this at the time, but haven’t we demonstrated that outdoor events do not lead to a lot of COVID spread? At least I remember news stories about epidemiological studies that indicated that the protests were not COVID superspreader events in the way that, say, indoor weddings were.
Most of the people at BLM protests seemed to be wearing masks, though. Sturgis, a rally held inside and outside, was a notable spreader in 2020 and 2021 because most of the motorcyclists weren’t masked (and last year weren’t vaxxed, either).
I don’t get why he says anyone should not take it. What’s that based on?
He is ignorant. You take it to protect others, not just yourself.
He is playing to a vague far right audience and being vague about his role. It’s the $.
He is an information gatekeeper and his protestations are disingenuous. He decides on his guests. He decides to not ask follow ups or to let bad info out.
Going through life with the attitude that anything that doesn’t kill you is okay, is idiotic and dangerous. And spreading that advice is dangerous and reprehensible.
In my opinion, anyone looking for “news” on cable tv deserves what they get.
True, one could regard 1200+ children and adolescents dead of Covid-19 ( including 200 dead infants) since the pandemic began, some with no serious risk factors, as an “infinitesimally” small number, along with the many thousands made seriously ill and hospitalized, often needing ICU care. And the thousands or millions of others infected by them (there were approximately 582,000 new pediatric infections recorded in one recent week) is still kinda tiny given the total U.S. population.
So don’t bother with a vaccine - chug that ivermectin.
Coincidentally enough, three adjectives which apply just as well to Rogan himself.
Funny how you leave out the fact that there was no increase of COVID-19 transmission linked with any of the protests. How the doctors were right that being outdoors and with masks would mitigate transmission tremendously.
In fact, it’s interesting how you neglect to mention that being outdoors was the main mitigation for why it was considered not so high a risk. You don’t mention how being outdoors with proper ventilation has always been considered to lower risk specifically.
And, then, of course, you talk about how masks don’t protect the wearer, but not about how well they protect others. And, of course, you pretend that any significant number of BLM protesters didn’t wear masks.
For someone who says they care about misinformation, you seem to have no problem spreading misinformation by leaving out important details, huh?
Just like you don’t seem to be informed about what people are actually upset at Joe Rogan about. Newsflash: the clip going around mentions that he only said it to young people. No one thinks he’s been against all vaccines. We know he pushes young people not to get vaccinated, along with pushing treatments that don’t work.
And, again, if you think your advice is bad, you don’t give it. To admit he doesn’t know what he’s talking about and still spread shit is exactly why people get upset.
If you want, I can even pull up the viral video where past Rogan argued against the positions current Rogan has taken. The ones where he attacked anyone who would take the positions he was taken now.
So, no, people are not being misled on what Rogan’s positions are. Just because someone calls someone anti-vax doesn’t mean we think they are against them for everyone. The problem is that Rogan’s advice is killing people, and (unlike his use of the n-word) he won’t take it back or repudiate his views.
He just claims that his advice is bad, while still giving it. You know, meaning he doesn’t actually think it is bad.