Joe the Plumber has a bus?
wring
October 29, 2008, 9:54pm
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Asimovian:
I am no fan of Joe’s, but I can’t get angry about this, either. I worked as a private investigator for four years under the same circumstances. I was employed by someone with a PI license. I did all the same work a PI would do. I had “Private Investigator” on my business cards. But I didn’t have my own license. Same situation with Joe, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with saying he’s a plumber if that is the work he does on a daily basis.
In casual conversation, I agree. However, the context was that he was ‘gonna buy his boss’s business’ -which makes the lack of the actual license crucial.
It’s fairly common for state licensure codes to have exemptions for people working at certain trades and professions without licenses, as long as they don’t have “responsible charge” of the work. Even a lot of engineers working in large companies and utilities may not be P.E.'s but since they don’t have responsible charge, and don’t seal designs, it’s OK.
Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus:
It’s fairly common for state licensure codes to have exemptions for people working at certain trades and professions without licenses, as long as they don’t have “responsible charge” of the work. Even a lot of engineers working in large companies and utilities may not be P.E.'s but since they don’t have responsible charge, and don’t seal designs, it’s OK.
Joe is not qualified to do plumbing work according to state laws and regulations.
According to Lucas County Building Inspection records, A. W. Newell Corp. does maintain a state plumbing license, and one with the City of Toledo, but would not be allowed to work in Lucas County outside of Toledo without a county license.
**Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell’s license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work.
He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he’s not a plumber.**
Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was hired by Mr. Newell six years ago and that the possibility of him eventually buying the company was discussed during his job interview.
He said it’s his understanding he can work under Mr. Newell’s license as long as the licensed contractor works on the same site.
Mr. Wurzelbacher said he is working on taking the Ohio plumbing contractors’ license test.
Mr. Wurzelbacher’s notoriety has raised the ire of Tom Joseph, business manager for Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters, and Service Mechanics, who claimed that Mr. Wurzelbacher didn’t undergo any apprenticeship training.
“When you have guys going out there with no training whatsoever, it’s a little disreputable to start with,” Mr. Joseph said. “We’re the real Joe the Plumber.”
Mr. Joseph said Mr. Wurzelbacher could only legally work in the townships, but not in any municipality in Lucas County or elsewhere in the country.
“This individual has got no schooling, no licenses, he’s never been to a training program, union or non-union, in the United States of America,” Mr. Joseph said.